@ 2besee.I haven't followed this whole conversation, but it is good to answer good questions. It is good for you, the one who asks, and the readers. We all learn something. 1 Peter 3:15But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,08:44)As I have told t8 numerous times, anyone who is “qualitatively man” is also, by necessity, “a man”.  Likewise, if one is “qualitatively god”, that one is “a god”.Mike the only difference I have with you and it is a small one in the context of scripture, is that I could be qualitatively be referred to as an…[Read more]

Further, Isaiah even says that when God creates a new heavens and earth, that the old things will not be remembered or come to mind.Isaiah 65:17Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

Quote (palal @ June 08 2013,16:48)Your trying to mix individual accountability with the destruction of heaves and earth. COme on, your seriously believe that that seperat scriptures about different things that have the word destruction means the “eternal destruction”Palal, it is not me that says it, it is Peter (scripture). So yes of course I am…[Read more]

palal are there not plenty of scriptures above to chew on?Let's take them one or two at a time.If scripture says that God is going to destroy the heavens and earth with a fire and that this same fire is going to destroy the wicked, then if the wicked remain eternally existant as you say, then we can only conclude that the old heavens and earth…[Read more]

Ed J. You show that your word and the words you teach are not as important as numbers. These words are secondary to you and this is proven in the amount of time you spend with numbers as opposed to what scripture is actually saying.And the fact that you said about wiping your feet and leaving the house that does not accept you as some kind of…[Read more]

I personally believe that a denomination can only get you so far. If you mature and grow beyond that, they will not be helpful and perhaps even harmful.First, they are built on creeds that often are some form of the Trinity Doctrine and once they find out that you do not adhere to their foundation, they will probably try to convince you or prefer…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ June 08 2013,09:17)Hi T8,1Cor.8:5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we through Him.6yet for us…[Read more]

2b, I know that Mike believes that the one true God is the Father, and that Jesus and counsels of God are called theos.But I do disagree with Mike regarding the way John 1:1c uses the word theos. I believe it is qualitatively used and so do many scholars including Trinitarian ones. But the Trinitarian scholars that believe this to be the case…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ June 07 2013,15:57)'Yes', Jesus did say “ye are gods, all sons of the most high” – but the quoted scripture ALSO said “I tell you you are men, and you will die like men” so that is not saying that they were 'supernatural heavenly Gods' is it? They were CALLED GODS – there is a difference, and that is what Paul was trying to say…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2013,21:28)Not true 2Besee! Revelation 3:12 clearly indicates that there will be other over-comers, besides just me and Jesus.But we do not overcome in our own strength.We overcome because of him. I think this is the point of 2b's post. If Jesus didn't overcome for us then none of us would overcome.

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 07 2013,07:46)That's funny t8 because the bible says the angels are the sons of God, and many are the sons of God in th Bible yet you will then say “not the same with Jesus” so I ask you are angels the sons of God Literally? Or any of the other sons of God? in fact are we all gods as it says in scripture? vYes the angels…[Read more]

I would like to point something out.The Bible contains many things. Prophecy, teaching, advice, historical record, and symbolism.Regarding the latter, we read things like Jesus having a sword coming from his mouth and his robe is dipped in blood. Imagine taking that literally. A sword sticking straight out his mouth and literal blood dripping from…[Read more]

Whether they believe it or not, most people think Hell is a place of eternal punishment where sinners are thrown into a fire that never ceases to burn. Thus the wicked suffer excruciating pain for all eternity similar to being placed on a spit roast forever. But is this really what the Bible teaches? Would a loving God make people suffer e…[Read more]

Gidday palal.Welcome.I will copy and paste my page on this subject in the next post. Feel free to critique and I will critique any scripture you offer too.

2b, look at how Origen interprets John 1:1.Origen wrote in the early 200′s A.D.“We next notice John’s use of the article in these sentences. He does not write without care in this respect, nor is he unfamiliar with the niceties of the Greek tongue. In some cases he uses the article, and in some he omits it. He adds the article to the Word, but…[Read more]

Cheers Mike.

Do you agree that Jesus said, “ye are gods”?And did he quote “ye are gods, ye are all sons of the Most High God”?If I believe that and you do to, then how is it that you say I am Arian and you are not?Explain because I am confused.