Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,15:17)Okay, but let's forget about “divine”, since the word “theos” in John 1:1c is a noun, not an adjective.But nouns are used as adjectives and maybe vice versa too.That happens. Descriptives can be achieved by removing the definite article in Greek. “Eve was adam.”

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,04:51)Can you give me an example of someone being qualitatively something, but we are not allowed to say that person is “a something”?That is a good question.But here is the dilemma.If Greek to English translates verses like, “there is no God but one” and Greek to English also uses the noun theos/elohim/god also in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,04:51)Nobody would say, t8 is angel. Instead, they would say, t8 is AN angel. (BTW, I believe you ARE an angel.Or you could say, “Mike is angelic”. That is what some translators did when they said, “The Word was divine”, or “What God was the Word was”. Yes in English you can also say, Mike is an angel. But a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,04:51)Qualitatively, on the other hand, refers to you having the qualities that an angel has. IMO, you would have to be a powerful spirit being who dwells in the heavenly realms to qualitatively be an angel.Depends on what quality you are highlighting. When most people say, “you are an angel”, they say it because…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,04:51)I think you are confusing “qualitatively” with “metaphorically”. You can metaphorically be called an angel because you did something good, and angels of God are generally considered to be good.If you call someone as a thing because they are displaying the qualities of that thing, how is that not qualitative.…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2013,03:52)Hi T8, Yes, and that is precisely WHAT YOU ARE DOING when you say men are called Angels – CERTAINLY NOT IN ENGLISH THEIR NOT!EL-o-heem (and “Theos” is similar) translates into English as each of the following:  1. GOD2. Angels3. Leaders. 4. MagistratesSo I completely agree with: Taking a Greek concept and putting…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2013,03:39)2) Since you say that Mike's difference in doctrine nothing to divide over, why attempt to divide over other doctrinal differences? Where do you draw the line?The bible says clearly there are no other “Gods” (Isa 44:8), to believe otherwise is to believe 'a lie'.3) Do you believe that it OK to let others believe a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,14:39)Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2013,14:25)Angels are NOT gods……….Yet your beloved AKJV (not to mention the Hebrew text) says they are.  Hmmmm………..Oh the KJV is perfect except that.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,06:30)And you walking away from the discussion is not what bothers me. What I fear is that, just like Ed always does, you'll walk away from the scriptural information I painstakingly laid out for you yesterday – only to start making the same exact claims in a month from now that I solidly and scripturally refuted…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2013,03:39)Hi T8,1) Is your hope in Christ  **or**  in the doctrine you believe?    (<– please answer)In Christ. I trust he leads me to God. Christ was the perfect model of obedience and as his disciples, we should follow his example as well as his commands. Motivation for this obedience is love, thus if we love God, we lov…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ June 09 2013,18:47)T8,I know that it takes Mike a long time to do his posts and I did read them all, but every discussion between two or three people on one particular topic needs to eventually come to an end. On the other matter, discussions should always be respectful.But a good end is when one or both persons say, I don't know,…[Read more]

Quote (palal @ June 09 2013,22:53)Jesus did say that, and it's clarified even further in that it's eternal.Jesus did say that, and it's clarified even further in that it's eternal.

Quote (palal @ June 09 2013,21:02)Is there a reason why cant you accept it?We not accepting it? If you mean that destruction is eternal life in torture and never arriving at the point of destruction, then of course we are not going to accept that because that is the opposite meaning. I mean it is pretty easy to understand that never actually being…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,08:44)t8, while we are again on this subject:8 But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever………Is Jesus called a god in this scripture?Mike.Technically speaking, the reason we use 'a' is to say one, but to the Greek that is what THE is for.They gave either:THE god/God/one G…[Read more]

I know this person is often labelled a false prophet, but I have never seen the evidence. The other day someone said that he falsely prophesied about Y2K, but that was not actually the case. He was about the only person saying it was not going to be a big deal at all.Any evidence would be appreciated. You could post it here.

@ 2besee.I haven't followed this whole conversation, but it is good to answer good questions. It is good for you, the one who asks, and the readers. We all learn something. 1 Peter 3:15But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,08:44)As I have told t8 numerous times, anyone who is “qualitatively man” is also, by necessity, “a man”.  Likewise, if one is “qualitatively god”, that one is “a god”.Mike the only difference I have with you and it is a small one in the context of scripture, is that I could be qualitatively be referred to as an…[Read more]

Further, Isaiah even says that when God creates a new heavens and earth, that the old things will not be remembered or come to mind.Isaiah 65:17Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.