Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,23:44)1) It says “no man” has seen God “except” Jesus..right? So, it is saying Jesus is that MAN who saw God!John 1:18 (English-KJV)No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.Maybe I am getting a bit too picky with this, but:It still says that no man…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,15:22)BUT, PAUL does not include in that order, Jesus ceasing to be “in the form of God” which is what you claim!!That is true. But then again, if I existed as a New Zealander, emptied myself or gave up the right of New Zealand citizenship, to became an American, then that would well mean that I have ceased to be a New…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,15:42)But, again, in no way does “image/form of God” imply a being itself/himself.But an image of God can only be applied to a being.I know that there was an image of Baal, but surely an image of God who is the God of the living is a living being too. Or can there be an image of God that is not a being?If not, then you…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,15:22)BUT, PAUL does not include in that order, Jesus ceasing to be “in the form of God” which is what you claim!!I cannot see where this means 'image'. Can you help me?Although I have no real reason for this not to mean 'image', I just can't see where it means that.Form/nature/external appearance/: “morphe” Who, being…[Read more]

Colter, if we all abandoned true faith for this doctrine of demons, would it make you feel better. Because if everyone you knew were on the same plane as you, it could still crash you know.

In the end JB, anyone can cleverly discredit each of these verses given enough time and knowledge of other people's effort who do the same, but isn't it strange that you have to reinterpret so many verses? If Jesus did not indeed exist with the Father before the cosmos was created, why are there so many verses that you need to reinterpret. Surely…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,23:22)The problem is that He did not say that He came “from God.” What He said was that He came “out from God.”There is a difference, if we choose to see it.John 8:42 (English NIV)Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent m…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,23:20)Mike acknowledged that fact, and then went on to imply that “form of God” meant that Jesus had a different ESSENCE then that of man.NOW..if one UNDERSTANDS that “form of God” means the same as “image of God” then one will understand that it in NO WAY implies a different essence than man, seeing how we are ALL in…[Read more]

Back to the subject. The Urantia Philosophy believes in the Trinity. Enough said. We know the origin of the Trinity today. Babylon. Just more babble and confusion. Another daughter of the Mother of all harlots.

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 20 2013,13:25)The concept of a singular individual Antichrist is a fictional character created by idiots, it's no more biblical than the theory of scriptural inerrancy.The Antichrist is the spirit that one has when they reject the Father and Son.Colter, just as we go through tribulations, it doesn't not negate that there is a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 20 2013,03:35)T8……It does not say Jesus seen God, it says the only begotten Son, “DECLARED” him, not he SEEN him. You can't see SPIRIT, except through the “MINDS EYE” . “God is a SPIRIT and those who Worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and truth” Jesus told us. Jesus never physically saw God nor will ever see him…[Read more]

Cheers Mike.

Devolution. I would never delete a post like that. It is a good post. It deserves to be said.

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 19 2013,22:07)One world government by the people, for the people, under the sovereign rule of God will eventually come but it takes time.Your philosophical book is leading you to accept the NWO then. And yes we know the Antichrist will come first. But why receive him. Be patient and like the faithful servant who waits for his…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Sep. 19 2013,22:07)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 19 2013,17:22)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 19 2013,12:22)Sure, some of the the prophets, and some of their prophacies, who were eventually adopted by later generations (after being mistreated by people like you in their day) did in fact visualize the spiritual kingdom which is here now. But just because…[Read more]

@ JB2UJohn 1:18 (English-KJV)No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.This verse is interesting. It says that only the son has seen the invisible God. So in your view, that means he can see or saw God while he was a man because he was only ever a man in your view. But…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 19 2013,22:39)But..if He existed as a being in heaven, He can not say that He came “out from God.” He CAN say that He came “down from heaven.” But to say He came “out from God” would be not really correct. And God Himself said that His word will go “out from His mouth.” And we know that Jesus is the word of God.@ JB2UPre Nicene…[Read more]

Sorry for not keeping up here.Forgive me if this seems lame compared to what you might have already discussed.But what is the form of God? My guess it is spirit. God is a spirit. Angels are spirits too and they are called sons.Did Jesus exist in spirit form, partake of the flesh, then return to the glory that he had with the Father before the…[Read more]