but are held captive by what is driving them.

Your view on this is wrong. If it were right, then God is ultimately and intentionally sending people to Hell.

Far from it.  He is not WILLING that any should perish. He cannot control our will then can he?

Jesus said, “not my will but your will”.

Also: And when he comes, he will convict the w…[Read more]

but are held captive by what is driving them.

Your view on this is wrong. If it were right, then God is ultimately and intentionally sending people to Hell.

Far from it.  He is not WILLING that any should perish. He cannot control our will then can he?

God is sovereign, and with that sovereignty he gave us sovereignty over our own destiny. Even when our oldest ancestor made it impossible for us to be with God, God found a way to restore us if we chose him.

With the angels, he did not spare those who sinned. They had perfection and rejected God. God honored their will.

It would be a vindictive…[Read more]

Kathi, have you even won one point here?

I think you corrected me once as to how John 8:42 is exactly worded, but that correction did not change my message one iota. That message being, that the Father is the one true God and Yeshua his son is the Lord and the messiah.

Personally if I lost every point I made in a debate, I would not continue…[Read more]

Kathi, have you even won one point here?

I think you corrected me once as to how John 8:42 is exactly worded, but that correction did not change my message one iota. That message being, that the Father is the one true God and Yeshua his son is the Lord and the messiah.

Personally if I lost every point I made in a debate, I would not continue…[Read more]

Perhaps you need to retake a Biology course if an offspring within a parent looks like a head growing out of the parent or an eternal extension.

Kathi, and eternally generated son means he is connected to the thing that is generating him. As soon as he becomes his own person and sits next to God, then he is not being generated anymore. So it is…[Read more]

Perhaps you need to retake a Biology course if an offspring within a parent looks like a head growing out of the parent or an eternal extension.

Kathi, and eternally generated son means he is connected to the thing that is generating him. As soon as he becomes his own person and sits next to God, then he is not being generated anymore. So it is…[Read more]

Well, God the Father is not an offspring ever and God the Father is not an image ever BUT God as the Son IS an offspring and an image of God the Father.

Yes he is the image of the Father. But scripture says he is the image of the invisible God. That God is the Father as you have testified in your quote. So if he is the image of the Father, then…[Read more]

I didn’t write that either. Why did you mention the word ‘offshoot’ instead of the word I used-“offspring?”

Because if someone is eternally generated by another, then he is attached and is an offshoot that remains attached to the source. But the Word was with God. Jesus was begotten not eternally generated from a source. Further to come from a…[Read more]

He is NOT God the Father himself, but He is God as the Son, the only eternal offspring of the Father.

I see, so Jesus is the son of God and the Father is ‘the Father of God’?

No. For us, there is one God the Father. And we believe that Jesus is of God too. As the son of God. You see there is no Father of God. He is just God. It is the son who is…[Read more]

He is NOT God the Father himself, but He is God as the Son, the only eternal offspring of the Father.

I see, so Jesus is the son of God and the Father is ‘the Father of God’?

No. For us, there is one God the Father. And we believe that Jesus is of God too. As the son of God.

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I…[Read more]

Thought I would throw this one in here. Probably belongs in the Conspiracy Theories forum though.

I am actually trying to help you see that Jesus was an always existing part of the one true God…an offspring part. As offsprings typically are, Jesus is the same kind of being as His Father and therefore He is also perfect in every way. He also has dominion with the Father over all creation. If that isn’t a great definition of what true God wou…

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Gene, if you are not free to choose and somehow this results in you denying God later in your life, then you cannot accuse God of anything because this eventuality is possible with your view and you endorse it as truth. However, you can complain that you are not happy that you were not free to choose otherwise, but God can turn to you and say, you…[Read more]

Gene, if you are not free to choose and somehow this results in you denying God later in your life, then you cannot accuse God of anything because this eventuality is possible with your view and you endorse it as truth. However, you can complain that you are not happy that you were not free to choose otherwise, but God can turn to you and say, you…[Read more]

Perfection with perfection is God with God in John 1:1. Some make it as Perfection with less than perfection thus missing truth and denying the Son who would be the same type as His Father, imo.

You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, till iniquity was found in you.

So before his fall, and according to your view, we have…[Read more]

One way that people deny the Son is by saying that He is NOT the same type of being as the Father-an eternal being. A true offspring is the same type of being as their father…always.

Your post proves one thing, you are not paying attention.

I will try and simplify it further so we don’t get these kinds of misinformed posts.

Jesus existed in t…[Read more]

One way that people deny the Son is by saying that He is NOT the same type of being as the Father-an eternal being. A true offspring is the same type of being as their father…always.

Your post proves one thing, you are not paying attention.

I will try and simplify it further so we don’t get these kinds of misinformed posts.

Jesus existed in t…[Read more]