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Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 11 years, 10 months ago
Perhaps you need to retake a Biology course if an offspring within a parent looks like a head growing out of the parent or an eternal extension.
Kathi, and eternally generated son means he is connected to the thing that is generating him. As soon as he becomes his own person and sits next to God, then he is not being generated anymore. So it is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 11 years, 10 months ago
Perhaps you need to retake a Biology course if an offspring within a parent looks like a head growing out of the parent or an eternal extension.
Kathi, and eternally generated son means he is connected to the thing that is generating him. As soon as he becomes his own person and sits next to God, then he is not being generated anymore. So it is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 11 years, 10 months ago
Well, God the Father is not an offspring ever and God the Father is not an image ever BUT God as the Son IS an offspring and an image of God the Father.
Yes he is the image of the Father. But scripture says he is the image of the invisible God. That God is the Father as you have testified in your quote. So if he is the image of the Father, then…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 11 years, 10 months ago
I didn’t write that either. Why did you mention the word ‘offshoot’ instead of the word I used-“offspring?”
Because if someone is eternally generated by another, then he is attached and is an offshoot that remains attached to the source. But the Word was with God. Jesus was begotten not eternally generated from a source. Further to come from a…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 11 years, 10 months ago
He is NOT God the Father himself, but He is God as the Son, the only eternal offspring of the Father.
I see, so Jesus is the son of God and the Father is ‘the Father of God’?
No. For us, there is one God the Father. And we believe that Jesus is of God too. As the son of God. You see there is no Father of God. He is just God. It is the son who is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 11 years, 10 months ago
He is NOT God the Father himself, but He is God as the Son, the only eternal offspring of the Father.
I see, so Jesus is the son of God and the Father is ‘the Father of God’?
No. For us, there is one God the Father. And we believe that Jesus is of God too. As the son of God.
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I…[Read more]
Proclaimer started the topic ISIS, ISIL, or IS? in the forum 11 years, 10 months ago
Conspiracy theory as to why Obama uses the term ISIL.
Proclaimer started the topic ISIS, ISIL, or IS? in the forum 11 years, 10 months ago
Conspiracy theory as to why Obama uses the term ISIL.
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago
Thought I would throw this one in here. Probably belongs in the Conspiracy Theories forum though.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 11 years, 10 months ago
I am actually trying to help you see that Jesus was an always existing part of the one true God…an offspring part. As offsprings typically are, Jesus is the same kind of being as His Father and therefore He is also perfect in every way. He also has dominion with the Father over all creation. If that isn’t a great definition of what true God wou…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Crackpottery in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 10 months ago
Gene, if you are not free to choose and somehow this results in you denying God later in your life, then you cannot accuse God of anything because this eventuality is possible with your view and you endorse it as truth. However, you can complain that you are not happy that you were not free to choose otherwise, but God can turn to you and say, you…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Crackpottery in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 10 months ago
Gene, if you are not free to choose and somehow this results in you denying God later in your life, then you cannot accuse God of anything because this eventuality is possible with your view and you endorse it as truth. However, you can complain that you are not happy that you were not free to choose otherwise, but God can turn to you and say, you…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 11 years, 10 months ago
Perfection with perfection is God with God in John 1:1. Some make it as Perfection with less than perfection thus missing truth and denying the Son who would be the same type as His Father, imo.
You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, till iniquity was found in you.
So before his fall, and according to your view, we have…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 11 years, 10 months ago
One way that people deny the Son is by saying that He is NOT the same type of being as the Father-an eternal being. A true offspring is the same type of being as their father…always.
Your post proves one thing, you are not paying attention.
I will try and simplify it further so we don’t get these kinds of misinformed posts.
Jesus existed in t…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 11 years, 10 months ago
One way that people deny the Son is by saying that He is NOT the same type of being as the Father-an eternal being. A true offspring is the same type of being as their father…always.
Your post proves one thing, you are not paying attention.
I will try and simplify it further so we don’t get these kinds of misinformed posts.
Jesus existed in t…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 11 years, 10 months ago
One way that people deny the Son is by saying that He is NOT the same type of being as the Father-an eternal being. A true offspring is the same type of being as their father…always.
Your post proves one thing, you are not paying attention.
I will try and simplify it further so we don’t get these kinds of misinformed posts.
Jesus existed in t…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 11 years, 10 months ago
One way that people deny the Son is by saying that He is NOT the same type of being as the Father-an eternal being. A true offspring is the same type of being as their father…always.
Your post proves one thing, you are not paying attention.
I will try and simplify it further so we don’t get these kinds of misinformed posts.
Jesus existed in t…[Read more]
Proclaimer wrote a new post 11 years, 10 months ago
Scripture says that the Word existed with God in the beginning. In Genesis 1, the beginning means the point of creation. In other words the Word that was with God existed at least as far back as the point of
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 11 years, 10 months ago
Scripture says that the Word existed with God in the beginning. What does beginning mean in Genesis 1. The point of creation. In other words he existed at least at the point of creation and we are also told elsewhere that this Word became flesh and that God made all things through his Word. Further, it says that God made all things for and through…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 10 months ago
“what you sow is what you reap”
People who do not believe that we have free will do not believe this scripture.
Instead they should rewrite the scripture to say:
what destiny sows for you, is what you are destined to experience. You have no choice in the matter.
There are many scriptures that would need to be rewritten such as:
“Choose whom…[Read more]
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