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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    t8

    satan does not sit in a city but that would mean he as a stronghold of people that are against the truth of God ,like the Jews with Jesus

    We are told to listen to what the spirit says to the Churches. In the same book we are told the following:
    “To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:
    These are the words of him who has the sharp,…
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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Like what ? except 70 ad ?

    Well the next head of the beast. The seventh king for example.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Terr. Not speculation. He focusses on the fourth beast that is in his future and because it is different to the other beasts. Further, he did not focus on the past empires as they were not the future, and he did not focus on Greece for example. Rome was not only a significant empire, but also the one when our messiah was born. All fact my friend.

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    Satan is not confined to have a throne in one area.
    Satan is the God of this world, and he rules everywhere, in men’s hearts.
    Satan’s throne is a spiritual one. His dominion. If we follow him, we are kneeling before his throne so to speak.

    Human reasoning here.

    If we applied your reasoning to scripture as a whole, then Jesus would not rule from…[Read more]

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    Satan is not confined to have a throne in one area.
    Satan is the God of this world, and he rules everywhere, in men’s hearts.
    Satan’s throne is a spiritual one. His dominion. If we follow him, we are kneeling before his throne so to speak.

    Human reasoning here.

    If we applied your reasoning to scripture as a whole, then Jesus would not rule from…[Read more]

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    If we go to the next verse we can see, the focus is not where Satan sits, but the abominations they are dwelling in,
    which are of Satan.
    Therefore they are dwelling in Satan spiritually.

    The focus of the verse is about those Believers that dwell  where Satan’s throne is. Plain and simple.

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    It clearly states: “I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you,where Satan dwells…“

    So saying that it doesn’t mean what it says is hard for me to accept and honestly I would be a fool to be talked out o…[Read more]

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    It clearly states: “I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you,where Satan dwells…“

    So saying that it doesn’t mean what it says is hard for me to accept and honestly I would be a fool to be talked out o…[Read more]

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    It clearly states: I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you,where Satan dwells

    So saying that it doesn’t mean what it says is hard for me to accept and honestly I would be a fool to be talked out of wh…[Read more]

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    It clearly states: I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you,where Satan dwells

    So saying that it doesn’t mean what it says is hard for me to accept and honestly I would be a fool to be talked out of wh…[Read more]

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    It clearly states: I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you,where Satan dwells

    So saying that it doesn’t mean what it says is hard for me to accept and honestly I would be a fool to be talked out of wh…[Read more]

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    Wakeup, the scriptures and commentary you give is good IMO.

    However, you failed at the end when you said:

    yeah; even today. Scriptural fact; the little horn will come out of one of them four kingdoms, no where else.
    We are under a greek system of government; called democracy.( people rule; therefore we vote for our leader).
    The ottoman was not…

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    Wakeup, the scriptures and commentary you give is good IMO.

    However, you failed at the end when you said:

    yeah; even today. Scriptural fact; the little horn will come out of one of them four kingdoms, no where else.
    We are under a greek system of government; called democracy.( people rule; therefore we vote for our leader).
    The ottoman was not…

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    Wakeup, the scriptures and commentary you give is good IMO.

    However, you failed at the end when you said:

    yeah; even today. Scriptural fact; the little horn will come out of one of them four kingdoms, no where else.
    We are under a greek system of government; called democracy.( people rule; therefore we vote for our leader).
    The ottoman was not…

    [Read more]

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    Wakeup, the scriptures and commentary you give is good IMO.

    However, you failed at the end when you said:

    yeah; even today. Scriptural fact; the little horn will come out of one of them four kingdoms, no where else.
    We are under a greek system of government; called democracy.( people rule; therefore we vote for our leader).
    The ottoman was not…

    [Read more]

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    Wakeup, the scriptures and commentary you give is good IMO.

    However, you failed at the end when you said:

    yeah; even today. Scriptural fact; the little horn will come out of one of them four kingdoms, no where else.
    We are under a greek system of government; called democracy.( people rule; therefore we vote for our leader).
    The ottoman was not…

    [Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY IT IS ROME ,well what power would it be if not Rome ? when the kingdom of God was set up ?(Jesus time)

    and as i learned when constantine move himself to constantinople it did not change the head of Rome (parliament ,the senate ,)

    My point was it doesn’t say Rome. It says the empire that IS. Which was of course Rome. What I…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Further, I would like to tell you why there is confusion on this subject about who the last empire is.

    Daniel is focussing in the fourth beast, because that is still ahead of him and we know now that the messiah was born while that beast was reigning. Daniel is looking toward Rome which as we know was a terrible beast that trampled the world…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Further, I would like to tell you why there is confusion on this subject about who the last empire is.

    Daniel is focussing in the fourth beast, because that is still ahead of him and we know now that the messiah was born while that beast was reigning. Daniel is looking toward Rome which as we know was a terrible beast that trampled the world…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Further, I would like to tell you why there is confusion on this subject about who the last empire is.

    Daniel is focussing in the fourth beast, because that is still ahead of him and we know now that the messiah was born while that beast was reigning. Daniel is looking toward Rome which as we know was a terrible beast that trampled the world…[Read more]

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