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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Open to the truth. I will consider all, but not accept all.

    There are 8 kingdoms, I have not seen you explain that.

    You seem to want to ignore the last two kingdoms and stop at Rome.

    Or what?

    Who is the seventh and eighth?

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    Gene what is your underlying reason for this argument?

    Is there a sin that you cannot control and thus you have decided that you have no choice in the matter but to sin?

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    Gene, if one-third of the angels, a whole household, a nation, a race, reject God, then that is not proof that there is no free will, it is simply that these have chosen for different reasons to not choose God. Perhaps God’s way is hard and they prefer an easy life. Who knows. But know that no matter how wicked men become, there will always be…[Read more]

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    Gene, if one-third of the angels, a whole household, a nation, a race, reject God, then that is not proof that there is no free will, it is simply that these have chosen for different reasons to not choose God. Perhaps God’s way is hard and they prefer an easy life. Who knows. But know that no matter how wicked men become, there will always be…[Read more]

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    Hi WU,

    Loving God has never been taught as a means of salvation.

    He owes us nothing and we owe Him everything.

    Obedience is His requirement

    John 14:15
    “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

    John 14:21
    Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love t…[Read more]

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    How can one put the strength of our love for God to the test?

    Easy, by their fruits. If a man says he loves God but hates his fellow man, then he cannot love God.

    However a person treats the least of the brethren, they do it to Yeshua himself.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Oh, I see, you do not agree that the British and American empires are part of the Beast. Okay, neither do I.

    So what are the seventh and eighth kingdoms to you then?

    and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. “The beast which was and is not, is himself also a…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Oh, I see, you do not agree that the British and American empires are not part of the Beast. Okay, neither do I.

    So what are the seventh and eighth kingdoms to you then?

    and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. “The beast which was and is not, is himself a…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    6)Rome /yes agree /the rest i do not agree at all ,

    you claim the feet to be another king ;i do not for scriptures does not ;end of that story .

    Look at the whole story with the beast. It covers thousands of years and 8 kingdoms.

    The last kingdom comes from a previous but only rules for a short time.

    We read in scripture that if those days…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    6)Rome /yes agree /the rest i do not agree at all ,

    you claim the feet to be another king ;i do not for scriptures does not ;end of that story .

    Look at the whole story with the beast. It covers thousands of years and 8 kingdoms.

    The last kingdom comes from a previous but only rules for a short time.

    We read in scripture that if those days…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    6)Rome /yes agree /the rest i do not agree at all ,

    you claim the feet to be another king ;i do not for scriptures does not ;end of that story .

    Look at the whole story with the beast. It covers thousands of years and 8 kingdoms.

    The last kingdom comes from a previous but only rules for a short time.

    We read in scripture that if those days…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    6)Rome /yes agree /the rest i do not agree at all ,

    you claim the feet to be another king ;i do not for scriptures does not ;end of that story .

    Look at the whole story with the beast. It covers thousands of years and 8 kingdoms.

    The last kingdom comes from a previous but only rules for a short time.

    We read in scripture that if those days…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    6)Rome /yes agree /the rest i do not agree at all ,

    you claim the feet to be another king ;i do not for scriptures does not ;end of that story .

    Look at the whole story with the beast. It covers thousands of years and 8 kingdoms.

    The last kingdom comes from the previous but only rules for a short time.

    We read in scripture that if those days…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Terricca, I don’t say that, this particular eschatology says it. I happen to think it is a good candidate that is all. I remain open minded and continue to watch for the signs.

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    TestFuturistic Buildings

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    Yes WU. So when people reject God, they receive their reward. But they could have chosen God. But they chose him not.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 10 months ago

    T8…..O REALLY, ….Paul sure did not think that, read Rom 7:14-24 solwely this time and think clearly about what he is saying, he sure did not think his will was FREE at all, but bound by lusts and desires working in him bringing him into a state of captivity, he was harhly free nor was his will it self free either.

    peace and love to you and you…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 10 months ago

    T8…..O REALLY, ….Paul sure did not think that, read Rom 7:14-24 solwely this time and think clearly about what he is saying, he sure did not think his will was FREE at all, but bound by lusts and desires working in him bringing him into a state of captivity, he was harhly free nor was his will it self free either.

    peace and love to you and you…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 10 months ago

    T8…..O REALLY, ….Paul sure did not think that, read Rom 7:14-24 solwely this time and think clearly about what he is saying, he sure did not think his will was FREE at all, but bound by lusts and desires working in him bringing him into a state of captivity, he was harhly free nor was his will it self free either.

    peace and love to you and you…

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    Yes his flesh was keeping him captivated to its desires, but God was also leading him and God gives strength. So here are the options. Follow the spirit or serve the flesh. If we are compelled to both, but can only do one at a time, then obviously it is us who choose when we serve God or when we succumb to the flesh.

    God always gives a way out…[Read more]

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