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Proclaimer replied to the topic Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
Now to address your point about me ignoring Bible translators. Below are testimonies from scholars and translators who are also Trinitarians. They are saying exactly the same thing. I may disagree with their personal conclusions, but even they admit what I am telling you is the case.
C. K. Barrett: “The absence of the article indicates that the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
Now to address your point about me ignoring Bible translators. Below are testimonies from Trinitarians who are saying exactly the same thing. I disagree with their personal conclusions, but even they admit what I am telling you.
C. K. Barrett: “The absence of the article indicates that the Word is God, but is not the only being of whom this is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
ie. “…the Word was with God, and the Word was ____.” …If you disagree that the Word was God, then how would YOU word it to give the meaning you think it should have..?
the Word was with God, and the Word was theos/god.
I read it as it is written. I don’t add THE Theos or Theos or The God. It is just ‘theos’ without the definite artcle. In Engli…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
ie. “…the Word was with God, and the Word was ____.” …If you disagree that the Word was God, then how would YOU word it to give the meaning you think it should have..?
the Word was with God, and the Word was theos/god.
I read it as it is written. I don’t add THE Theos or Theos. It is theos. In English we capitalise when it is preceded with the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
In short @DavidL
You have to add in THE to make The Word God himself. But THE is not there. BTW, if it was there, then it would say that the Word was God to the exclusion of the Father.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
So whose not paying attention…I’m not asking for your understanding of this verse – I’m asking how you would word it…?!
You casually attack the credibility of Bible translators from the comfort of your anonymity (…without realizing the gravity of your actions) – and yet you continually fail to provide us with what you would consider is the correc…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
So whose not paying attention…I’m not asking for your understanding of this verse – I’m asking how you would word it…?!
You casually attack the credibility of Bible translators from the comfort of your anonymity (…without realizing the gravity of your actions) – and yet you continually fail to provide us with what you would consider is the correc…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Why is God's way the narrow way? in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
All true Nick.
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Proclaimer replied to the topic Why is God's way the narrow way? in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
Jesus was talking about the difficulty of walking the true path. It is easy for men to start in faith and then fall away. However, he also basically said while it passes human power, it doesn’t surpass divine power. Further, we know from elsewhere in scripture that if we sow in the flesh we reap destruction and if we sow in the spirit we reap lif…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Why is God's way the narrow way? in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
Jesus was talking about the difficulty of walking the true path. It is easy for men to start in faith and then fall away. However, he also basically said while it passes human power, it doesn’t surpass divine power. Further, we know from elsewhere in scripture that what is sown in the flesh will reap destruction and that sown in the spirit will r…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Why is God's way the narrow way? in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
Jesus was talking about the difficulty of walking the true path. It is easy for men to start in faith and then fall away. However, he also basically said while it passes human power, it doesn’t surpass divine power. Further, we know from elsewhere in scripture that what is sown in the flesh will reap destruction and that sown in the spirit w…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
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Yes, if he is going to God who is also our God, then those that belong to God will go to the Father as Jesus did. In fact Jesus said it himself. “No man comes to the Father except by me”. Jesus is the prototype son, and we are sons. We will be like him and have a body like his too. He calls us brethren, but God is not our brother. He is the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Is Hell eternal? 11 years, 6 months ago
If the wicked are thrown into the Lake of Fire and fire is reserved for the wicked as well as the Heavens and Earth, then you are free to believe they are not talking about the same thing, even if the timing is coincidental.
However, it is written the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire and kept for the day of judgment and de…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Is Hell eternal? 11 years, 6 months ago
If the wicked are thrown into the Lake of Fire and fire is reserved for the wicked as well as the Heavens and Earth, then you are free to believe they are not talking about the same thing. However, the timing is pretty coincidental.
However, it is written the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire and kept for the day of judgment a…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Is Hell eternal? 11 years, 6 months ago
If the wicked are thrown into the Lake of Fire and fire is reserved for the wicked as well as the Heavens and Earth, then you are free to believe they are not talking about the same thing. However, it is written the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire and kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. We choose to…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Why is God's way the narrow way? in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
Agreed. If a man rejects God, then he rejects love, life, and truth. God does not force anyone to live eternally with him if they have rejected him. He is not willing that any should perish, but he cannot make us love him. So our will can override his. We can perish even though he is not willing that we should perish.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Is Hell eternal? in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 6 months ago
Will the wicked perish? Yes.
Will the wicked be destroyed? Yes.
Will the wicked be thrown into the Second Death? Yes.
Can God destroy both body and soul in Hell? Yes..
Does the spirit of man go back to God who gave it? Yes.
Is it true that only the righteous will inherit life eternal? Yes.
Is it true that only the righteos will partake of…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Is Hell eternal? in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 6 months ago
Will the wicked perish? Yes.
Will the wicked be destroyed? Yes.
Will the wicked be thrown into the Second Death? Yes.
Can God destroy both body and soul in Hell? Yes..
Does the spirit of man go back to God who gave it? Yes.
Is it true that only the righteous will inherit life eternal? Yes.
Is it true that only the righteos will partake of…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Is Hell eternal? 11 years, 6 months ago
Okay, so there is a literal fire and a symbolic fire. Which one is this. Read it carefully before answering.
“His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.”
So the heavens, earth, and ungodly will be destroyed. Explain how this is symbolic if that is how you…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Why is God's way the narrow way? in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 11 years, 6 months ago
And there is room for tens of billions. But men generally ran from the light when it came into the darkness.
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