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    I do not concede this.

    I am saying that you cannot say it doesn’t which is what you are saying right.

    We know that Jesus is the full expression/image of the invisible God and God made all things through him and for him, thus it also says that God made all through the Word and we know that the Word was WITH God.

    We are also told that Jesus he he…[Read more]

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    I do not concede this.

    I am saying that you cannot say it doesn’t which is what you are saying right.

    We know that Jesus is the full expression/image of the invisible God and God made all things through him and for him, thus it also says that God made all through the Word and we know that the Word was WITH God.

    We are also told that Jesus he he…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 4 months ago

    BD, YHWH would never incite people to smite his people as written in the Quran. YHWH would never say that he is the Father and Jesus his beloved Son, then centuries later say that he has no son, thus denying he is the Father.

    The spirit that resides in our hearts cries out to the Father.

    Clearly, seeds were sown by an enemy of YHWH.

    Look at the…[Read more]

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    No he isn’t – Jesus isn’t called “The Word” of God anywhere in Scripture.

    Ah yes, I should have known better. It was late when I made that comment.

    He wears a vestiture with that title written on it.

    However, I believe that you cannot rule out that he is the Word of God given what we read in scripture regarding both the Word and Jesus.

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    No he isn’t – Jesus isn’t called “The Word” of God anywhere in Scripture.

    Ah yes, I should have known better. It was late when I made that comment.

    He wears a vestiture with that title written on it.

    However, I believe that you cannot rule out that he is the Word of God given what we read in scripture regarding both the Word and Jesus.

    T…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 4 months ago

    Jesus criticized the scribes for being unrighteous and so does the Quran:

    The writer of the Quran like the writer of the Book of Mormon had the Bible to copy and edit.

    Admittedly it would take some work, but many people today could take stories and teachings in the Bible and copy them, give them a different slant, introduce new concepts, and all…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 4 months ago

    Jesus criticized the scribes for being unrighteous and so does the Quran:

    The writer of the Quran like the writer of the Book of Mormon had the Bible to copy and edit.

    Admittedly it would take some work, but many people today could take stories and teachings in the Bible and copy them, give them a different slant, introduce new concepts, and all…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 4 months ago

    Jesus criticized the scribes for being unrighteous and so does the Quran:

    The writer if the Quran like the writer of the Book of Mormon had the Bible to copy and edit.

    Admittedly it would take some work, but many people today could take stories and teachings in the Bible and copy them, give them a different slant, introduce new concepts, and all…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 4 months ago

    Jesus criticized the scribes for being unrighteous and so does the Quran:

    The writer if the Quran like the writer of the Book of Mormon had the Bible to copy and edit.

    Admittedly it would take some work, but many people today could take stories and teachings in the Bible and copy them, give them a different slant, introduce new concepts, and all…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 4 months ago

    A coin doesn’t have 2 sides it has 3 and it is the least expected outcome in a coin flip.

    What is the point of getting technical, should we count the ridges too. Some coins have that. All 3D objects have three directions  which we describe using the following words: length, width, height, depth, and breadth. It is just that a coin’s edges are not…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 4 months ago

    A coin doesn’t have 2 sides it has 3 and it is the least expected outcome in a coin flip.

    What is the point of getting technical, should we count the ridges too. Some coins have that. It is just a saying that describes that there can be multiple faces of facets of the same thing. Getting technical when it doesn’t help the subject being discussed i…[Read more]

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    Charles that is another long post, but I read it through and there is nothing in there that proves that Jesus is God, but that he came from God.

    This we already know.

    Jesus said it himself here:

    John 8:42
    Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.

    Is…[Read more]

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    Charles that is another long post, but I read it through and there is nothing in there that proves that Jesus is God, but that he came from God.

    This we already know.

    Jesus said it himself here:

    John 8:42
    Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.

     

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    lol Princess.

    300 to 1.

    🙂

     

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 4 months ago

    so according to your logic the OT is Correct and the NT is false, The NT is correct and the OT is false or they are both false

    You missed the fourth option. That both are correct. Unlike the Quran and the Bible, the OT & NT paint a harmonious picture of God who first gave the Law, then after the Law did its work by bringing conviction, he…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 4 months ago

    so according to your logic the OT is Correct and the NT is false, The NT is correct and the OT is false or they are both false

    You missed the fourth option. That both are correct. Unlike the Quran and the OT, the OT & NT paint a harmonious picture of a God who first gave the law, then after the Law did its work, he introduced his grace.

    Jesus…[Read more]

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    Okay just quickly, I would like to point out similarities that seem to point to Jesus as being the Word that was with God in the beginning which you do not believe yourself.

    God created all things through his Word. He did the same thing through his son Jesus Christ. Coincidence?
    Jesus is called the Word of God in Revelation. While it doesn’t…[Read more]

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    Okay just quickly, I would like to point out similarities that seem to point to Jesus as being the Word that was with God in the beginning which you do not believe yourself.

    God created all things through his Word. He did the same thing through his son Jesus Christ. Coincidence?
    Jesus is called the Word of God in Revelation. While it doesn’t…[Read more]

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    Thanks for clarifying your views.

    While I probably agree with much of it, there are still things that I cannot prove by scripture as yet and so some speculation resides when joining the dots.

    I would now like to take a look at another view written back in the second century on this same subject. The conclusion seems different to yours. The main…[Read more]

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    Thanks for clarifying your views.

    While I probably agree with much of it, there are still things that I cannot prove by scripture as yet and so some speculation resides when joining the dots.

    I would now like to take a look at another view written back in the second century on this same subject. The conclusion seems different to yours. The main…[Read more]

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