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    Rick Joyner has had failed prophecies as most evengelicals do most of the ones that stick out concern Y2K and 2012 but when they fail they just make excuses for failing, here is a really great excuse by Rick Joyner:

    Where is the proof? I refuse to condemn anyone without proof. I believe that is wrong.

    As for Y2K, I found this and it shows the…[Read more]

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    Still haven’t seen any proof. Just speculation so far. I can’t condemn a man based on speculation.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    God, so would you agree satan is not really a god at all?

    I hear such ignorance from Trinitarians too. These organisations turn you into unthinking people.

    Satan is the god of this age. There are false gods, idols, things in the place of God both good and bad.

    But there is one true God who is above all. He is really the only God, but he…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    God, so would you agree satan is not really a god at all?

    I hear such ignorance from Trinitarians too. These organisations turn you into unthinking people.

    Satan is the god of this age. There are false gods, idols, things in the place of God both good and bad.

    But there is one true God who is above all. He is really the only God, but he…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    Accepting Christ as Messiah = Islam
    Accepting Christ as God = Christianity

    Let’s show the big picture and not cherry pick statements to make your argument look flashy. Lets be honest.

    Accepting Christ as a Messiah who didn’t shed his blood for the forgiveness of man’s sins = Islam
    Accepting Christ as God = Catholicism, much of Protestantism,…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    Accepting Christ as Messiah = Islam
    Accepting Christ as God = Christianity

    Let’s show the big picture and not cherry pick statement to make your argument more convincing than it really is.

    Accepting Christ as a Messiah who didn’t shed his blood for the forgiveness of man’s sins = Islam
    Accepting Christ as God = Catholicism, much of P…[Read more]

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    No it isn’t like that. The truths are simple that even a child can be taught. But adults or the mature can draw so much more from those truths. The truth changes not.

    I could tell you that on Earth gravity makes everything fall down to the ground. Pretty simple. Then I could give some math to show gravity, or connect gravity with aerodynamics or…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    If you think the prophecy has come true, do you think it was God’s purpose to form a “sinful” state of Israel where Atheism and homosexuality is rampant
    is that a fulfillment that God would allow sin in this prophecy?

    You err in your assessment. Israel has always had sinners and idol worshippers. It has also had prophets and men of God like David…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    If you think the prophecy has come true, do you think it was God’s purpose to form a “sinful” state of Israel where Atheism and homosexuality is rampant
    is that a fulfillment that God would allow sin in this prophecy?

    You err in your assessment. Israel has always had sinners and idol worshippers. It has also had prophets and men of God like David…[Read more]

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    Trinity doesn’t deny the sonship of  Jesus Christ

    Islam denies the sonship of Jesus Christ.

    Catholicism denies the sonship of Jesus Christ not in word, but in deed because Jesus in deed cannot be the son of God and be God. He cannot be his own son, and he cannot be the son of another God.

    Satan is both a blatant liar and a subtle one. He is th…[Read more]

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    AndrewAD, if Jesus is the son of God, then who is this God that he is the son of? The Trinity? Is he the son of the Trinity?

    If Jesus is both God and the son of God, then clearly you have an oxymoron, just the same if you were a son and also your parent.

    Are you the same entity as your son? Or are you a different person to your son, but that h…[Read more]

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    Well the Word became flesh would to my eyes be equated to Jesus coming in the flesh.

    Those that deny Jesus came in the flesh are of the Antichrist spirit.

    So if the Word became flesh, and Jesus is different to the Word because Jesus is the flesh, then what became flesh came in the flesh?

     

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    @AndrewAD

    Thanks T8 for that answer,spoken as a true Arian indeed!

    If my answer makes me an Arian, then Paul was an Arian according to you right?

    Philippians 2
    5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took…[Read more]

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    And we have to be mindful of the weak.

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    If my son is the spitting image of me, then no one is going to think my son is me right?
    Why is it that the one who is called image of God, who is the son of God, and the firstborn of all creation, is considered

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    Awesome video! This is exactly what I have been saying to everyone on the site, it’s almost impossible to get them to understand something they think they have knowledge on.

    This is true Bod, but when you are confronted with a religion that says God has no son, what are we to do? Look seriously into it knowing that such a thing is A…[Read more]

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    Yes EdJ.

    If my son is the spitting image of me, then no one is going to think my son is his Father (me).

    Basic stuff, and amazing that we even have to spell this out. But spelling things out is actually required when people have been brainwashed.

    It takes time for the old to be replaced with the new. But they have to be willing.

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    I don’t have an answer, I have a scripture. But you appear to have an answer. That is, he was made Lord for the first time roughly 2000 or so years ago right.

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    That would also be after he existed in the form of God and emptied himself. But he is full again. Back in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

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    So Nick, your view is Jesus + Christ = Jesus Christ.

    Good so far.

    Then any reference before Jesus + Christ = Jesus for you, whereas others talk about Christ and you oppose their view.

    He existed in the form of God and emptying himself and came here right?

    Surely if the Word was God, then was WITH God and then came in the flesh or became f…[Read more]

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