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    His teaching would have to go throughout the world and be accepted by the general populace and I do not see that happening. What I do see is that even Islam is falling to Secularism. If Islamic conservatives, not necessary extremist seize power in a government the Secularists seize it back using fair means or foul. Unless something changes your…

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    His teaching would have to go throughout the world and be accepted by the general populace and I do not see that happening. What I do see is that even Islam is falling to Secularism. If Islamic conservatives, not necessary extremist seize power in a government the Secularists seize it back using fair means or foul. Unless something changes your…

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    His teaching would have to go throughout the world and be accepted by the general populace and I do not see that happening. What I do see is that even Islam is falling to Secularism. If Islamic conservatives, not necessary extremist seize power in a government the Secularists seize it back using fair means or foul. Unless something changes your…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 7 months ago

    “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

    Nick, this completely contradicts what you just said.

    1. BEFORE ABRAHAM, I am
    2. Jesus said.

    You deny that Jesus said and that he was before Abraham.

    Should I believe what you say here or should I believe what Jesus said?

    Notice that it doesn’t say that Jesus Christ said…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 7 months ago

    “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

    Nick, this completely contradicts what you just said.

      BEFORE ABRAHAM, I am
      Jesus said.

    You deny that Jesus said and that he was before Abraham.

    Should I believe what you say here or should I believe what Jesus said?

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    We are told what the Antichrist spirit denies the Father and Son. They deny that Jesus is the son of God and that God is the Father.

    Islam, the second biggest religion on the planet, dominates the area around the Great Sea where the Beast resides. One of the main tenets of Islam is that God has no son. This is even written on the Dome of the Rock…[Read more]

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    We are told what the Antichrist spirit denies the Father and Son. They deny that Jesus is the son of God and that God is the Father.

    Islam, the second biggest religion on the planet, dominates the area around the Great Sea where the Beast resides. One of the main tenets of Islam is that God has no son. This is even written on the Dome of the Rock…[Read more]

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    We are told what the Antichrist spirit denies the Father and Son. They deny that Jesus is the son of God and that God is the Father.

    Islam, the second biggest religion on the planet, dominates the area around the Great Sea where the Beast resides. One of the main tenets of Islam is that God has no son. This is even written on the Dome of the Rock…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 7 months ago

    All human being come in the flesh for without the flesh we would be naked.

    No problem here. But he existed in the form of God and emptied himself. You have a problem with that it seems.

    We all agree that Jesus was a man, so it is not even worth debating that.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 7 months ago

    Before he emptied himself and came in the flesh according to the text.

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    Hi t8,

    It is you who judges as if you know better.

    But you offer a religion of human origin.

    Nick, if the scriptures about Jesus origins are a religion of human origin only, then we have no hope in Jesus Christ. Human origin would tend to put Jesus as a man like us only. The Pharisees did not have trouble with Jesus being a man, but with the…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 7 months ago

    Nick, Jesus wasn’t just a man. He became a man. He existed in the form of God and obviously did not have the name Jesus till he was born as a man.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 7 months ago

    Hi t8,

    So a being with no flesh existed in heaven and was known as Jesus Christ though that name had yet to be given?

    Then , by your definition by taking on flesh he became like us, a man.

    Far fetched fantasy

    He existed in the form of God, emptied himself and came in the flesh. As a man, he was like us and was tempted like us and lived like us.…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 7 months ago

    You are mixing the ideas from a few passages.

    Philippians 2:5-7 or 8 is speaking the mind that is in Jesus Christ.

    kerwin you are wrong with this and there is no problem mixing scriptures or truth, so long as the context is preserved. It is true for example that God is love. It is also true that God is light. If I mix that and say that God is…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 7 months ago

    You are mixing the ideas from a few passages.

    Philippians 2:5-7 or 8 is speaking the mind that is in Jesus Christ.

    kerwin you are wrong with this.

    We are told to have the same attitude as Jesus Christ.

    Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 7 months ago

    Hi T8,

    Yes that is all true of the Spirit of Christ .

    Did you think it was about the man?

    Nick, coming in the flesh is what qualifies him as becoming a man.

    And who came in the flesh? It was Jesus Christ, not just a man called Jesus, but Jesus the annointed.

    Deny that blatantly or subtly makes no difference, it is still a denial.

    Did it…[Read more]

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    Hi t8,

    It is you who judges as if you know better.

    But you offer a religion of human origin.

    I do not judge you Nick by my own standard. This scripture does. If not, explain why. I am not interested in winning this argument, rather I wish the best for you Nick. If you can explain how your teaching agrees with 1 John 4:2 and it is a fair…[Read more]

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    Where have I said that Jesus Christ is not the anointed one of God?

    Nick, you teach that Jesus was not the Christ, until he was called Jesus Christ by reason of his baptism. In other words Jesus of Nazareth was not the Christ, but a vessel awaiting the anointing. A mere flesh man with no history to speak of accept ancestral.

    Jesus to you is a…[Read more]

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    Hi t8,

    Yes those who had the Holy Spirit could recognise the Christ from birth.

    Jesus was born at Bethlehem and reborn from above at the Jordan of the Holy Spirit.

    Surely you know this because he said you must be born again of water and the Spirit and we follow him.

    I don’t think we should make Jesus experience match ours. Rather he is greater…[Read more]

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    Jesus Christ was born as a baby like us. We cannot deny him as Christ at any point.

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