Another thought. Does Satan want the Jews to go to Israel. Perhaps. If they are all in one place, then he can take them out. If they are spread around the world, he can never eradicate them.

Does God want Jews to go to Israel. Perhaps. This will bring many nations against Israel as we see. It seems we are indeed heading for Armageddon, a great…[Read more]

Persecution may be arising just to drive the Jews back to Israel and their roots. They may decry it but they have a tradition of only going to God when times are rough. If they were wiser they would learn to go to him when times were easy and perhaps avoid or modify the rougher times. Never the less I stand against those that persecute…

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Persecution may be arising just to drive the Jews back to Israel and their roots. They may decry it but they have a tradition of only going to God when times are rough. If they were wiser they would learn to go to him when times were easy and perhaps avoid or modify the rougher times. Never the less I stand against those that persecute…

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Who knows. Conspiracy theorists could claim that the Rothschild’s got the USA into war, although Pearl Harbor was the perfect reason. I guess they could claim that was a setup like 911 as they believe.

Ha ha. The angel’s message I can grasp and I take it that God told him to say this and by extension of that, it has to agree with the Spirit Nick.

Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.

You know it and I know it that you and Gene do not believe this true message. It is the word(s) ‘today’ or ‘this…[Read more]

Ha ha. The angel’s message I can grasp.

Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.

You know it and I know it that you and Gene do not believe this message. It is the word(s) ‘today’ or ‘this day’ as well as ‘he is the messiah’ that you have a problem with.

Perhaps you can correct the angel publicly…[Read more]

Ha ha. The angel’s message I can grasp.

Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.

You know it and I know it that you and Gene do not believe this message. It is the word(s) today or this day that you have a problem with.

Perhaps you can correct the angel publicly right here in this discussion. Go…[Read more]

HI again, t8,

Again, I suggest you do a better job of reading teh pre-Nicene fathers.  Take Irenaeus.  What he actually says is that the Spirit and Son are the two hands of God, two modes of activity by which God is present.  Hence, he writes, ” It is the Word of God, the Son of God, Jesus Christ Our lord,  by whom all things were made……

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HI again, t8,

Again, I suggest you do a better job of reading teh pre-Nicene fathers.  Take Irenaeus.  What he actually says is that the Spirit and Son are the two hands of God, two modes of activity by which God is present.  Hence, he writes, ” It is the Word of God, the Son of God, Jesus Christ Our lord,  by whom all things were made……[Read more]

I’d suggest you do a more careful reading of the pre-Nicene fathers.

Hoghead. Let’s take Tatian’s quote. He clearly shows what he believes to be the ancient origin of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now if he also believed the Trinity Doctrine, then Tatian clearly was a double minded man and by extension of that, an unstable man.

And by His simple will th…[Read more]

HI again, t8,

Again, I suggest you do a better job of reading teh pre-Nicene fathers.  Take Irenaeus.  What he actually says is that the Spirit and Son are the two hands of God, two modes of activity by which God is present.  Hence, he writes, ” It is the Word of God, the Son of God, Jesus Christ Our lord,  by whom all things were made……

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HI again, t8,

Again, I suggest you do a better job of reading teh pre-Nicene fathers.  Take Irenaeus.  What he actually says is that the Spirit and Son are the two hands of God, two modes of activity by which God is present.  Hence, he writes, ” It is the Word of God, the Son of God, Jesus Christ Our lord,  by whom all things were made……

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It amazes me how many say the Trinity is a must-have when it is nowhere mentioned in scripture. This is the result of centuries of conditioning through the denominational structure.

I’d suggest you do a more careful reading of the pre-Nicene fathers.

Hoghead. Let’s take Tatian’s quote. He clearly shows what he believes to be the ancient origin of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now if he also believed the Trinity Doctrine, then Tatian clearly was a double minded man and by extension of that, an unstable man.

And by His simple will th…[Read more]

I’d suggest you do a more careful reading of the pre-Nicene fathers.

Hoghead. Let’s take Tatian’s quote. He clearly shows what he believes to be the ancient origin of the Lord Jesus Christ. Now if he beleived the Trinity Doctrine, then Tatian clearly was a double minded man.

And by His simple will the Word sprang forth, and the Word, not coming f…[Read more]

When it comes to judging me harshly, you should remember that I stress personal attacks are totally inappropriate in any serious theological discussion.

Do not confuse this with judging you harshly.

He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose…[Read more]

Hello, t8,

First of all, let’s get clear on what I am saying.  Nobody comes to Scripture, with a blank mind.  Everyone reads Scripture through a lens.    Many look at Scripture through the lens provided by fundamentalaistic ideology.

We can empty ourselves because we can be our own worst enemy at times. Yes the mind has a predefined pictur…[Read more]

Your post here is exactly what I have been complaining about. No, those holding with the Trinity are not possessed by the Anti-Christ. Attacking the character of others has no place in a theological discussion

Attacking the character of others? No, we should attack/expose teachings and doctrines that depart from the faith that was handed down.

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Getting back to the Trinity. Your hypothesis is that the Trinity is not to be found in Scripture. Day one, no scholar is about to buy that, as it is an absurd claim, period, end of it. The reason is that the Trinity became such a central Christian dogma precisely because it is about as biblical as you can get. I have pointed several times several…

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hoghead you come across as a man who prides himself on his education and thinks he is an intellectual. I do not know if this is correct, but the truth is that is how you come across to me at least. I am not saying it is so, so please do not get upset if it is not true.