Ha ha. The angel’s message I can grasp.

Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.

You know it and I know it that you and Gene do not believe this message. It is the word(s) ‘today’ or ‘this day’ as well as ‘he is the messiah’ that you have a problem with.

Perhaps you can correct the angel publicly…[Read more]

Ha ha. The angel’s message I can grasp.

Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.

You know it and I know it that you and Gene do not believe this message. It is the word(s) today or this day that you have a problem with.

Perhaps you can correct the angel publicly right here in this discussion. Go…[Read more]

HI again, t8,

Again, I suggest you do a better job of reading teh pre-Nicene fathers.  Take Irenaeus.  What he actually says is that the Spirit and Son are the two hands of God, two modes of activity by which God is present.  Hence, he writes, ” It is the Word of God, the Son of God, Jesus Christ Our lord,  by whom all things were made……

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HI again, t8,

Again, I suggest you do a better job of reading teh pre-Nicene fathers.  Take Irenaeus.  What he actually says is that the Spirit and Son are the two hands of God, two modes of activity by which God is present.  Hence, he writes, ” It is the Word of God, the Son of God, Jesus Christ Our lord,  by whom all things were made……[Read more]

I’d suggest you do a more careful reading of the pre-Nicene fathers.

Hoghead. Let’s take Tatian’s quote. He clearly shows what he believes to be the ancient origin of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now if he also believed the Trinity Doctrine, then Tatian clearly was a double minded man and by extension of that, an unstable man.

And by His simple will th…[Read more]

HI again, t8,

Again, I suggest you do a better job of reading teh pre-Nicene fathers.  Take Irenaeus.  What he actually says is that the Spirit and Son are the two hands of God, two modes of activity by which God is present.  Hence, he writes, ” It is the Word of God, the Son of God, Jesus Christ Our lord,  by whom all things were made……

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HI again, t8,

Again, I suggest you do a better job of reading teh pre-Nicene fathers.  Take Irenaeus.  What he actually says is that the Spirit and Son are the two hands of God, two modes of activity by which God is present.  Hence, he writes, ” It is the Word of God, the Son of God, Jesus Christ Our lord,  by whom all things were made……

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It amazes me how many say the Trinity is a must-have when it is nowhere mentioned in scripture. This is the result of centuries of conditioning through the denominational structure.

I’d suggest you do a more careful reading of the pre-Nicene fathers.

Hoghead. Let’s take Tatian’s quote. He clearly shows what he believes to be the ancient origin of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now if he also believed the Trinity Doctrine, then Tatian clearly was a double minded man and by extension of that, an unstable man.

And by His simple will th…[Read more]

I’d suggest you do a more careful reading of the pre-Nicene fathers.

Hoghead. Let’s take Tatian’s quote. He clearly shows what he believes to be the ancient origin of the Lord Jesus Christ. Now if he beleived the Trinity Doctrine, then Tatian clearly was a double minded man.

And by His simple will the Word sprang forth, and the Word, not coming f…[Read more]

When it comes to judging me harshly, you should remember that I stress personal attacks are totally inappropriate in any serious theological discussion.

Do not confuse this with judging you harshly.

He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose…[Read more]

Hello, t8,

First of all, let’s get clear on what I am saying.  Nobody comes to Scripture, with a blank mind.  Everyone reads Scripture through a lens.    Many look at Scripture through the lens provided by fundamentalaistic ideology.

We can empty ourselves because we can be our own worst enemy at times. Yes the mind has a predefined pictur…[Read more]

Your post here is exactly what I have been complaining about. No, those holding with the Trinity are not possessed by the Anti-Christ. Attacking the character of others has no place in a theological discussion

Attacking the character of others? No, we should attack/expose teachings and doctrines that depart from the faith that was handed down.

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Getting back to the Trinity. Your hypothesis is that the Trinity is not to be found in Scripture. Day one, no scholar is about to buy that, as it is an absurd claim, period, end of it. The reason is that the Trinity became such a central Christian dogma precisely because it is about as biblical as you can get. I have pointed several times several…

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hoghead you come across as a man who prides himself on his education and thinks he is an intellectual. I do not know if this is correct, but the truth is that is how you come across to me at least. I am not saying it is so, so please do not get upset if it is not true.

hoghead you come across as a man who prides himself on his education and thinks he is an intellectual. I do not know if this is correct, but the truth is that is how you come across to me at least. I am not saying it is so however, but being honest about the perception.

Well, when you are willing to sell you daughter into slavery and refuse to eat ham, then I will assume you are living Scripture to the letter, no cherry picking. But then again, both Christ and Paul seem to have done some real cherry picking on these laws. Paul dropped all the dietary laws, and eventually Peter as well.

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Where is your work of the spirit? I hope it is not all the criticism you have for all others but yourself. That certainly doesn’t qualify.

Hi T8,

God is not scientific despite your best efforts to teach that He is.

Yor boxes will never be BIG enough.

Nick, ‘sciences means ‘knowledge’. And without knowledge you can perish.

The word ‘conscience’ for example just means ‘with knowledge’.

There is certainly a thing called the knowledge of God. If we didn’t have that then we would be…[Read more]

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