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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Well, we are already debating.  As for some sort of big debate, no, I’m not interested.

    Then you have to retract your statement about me not digging deep into scripture because that is the very thing I want to do and you turned me down.

    It takes a lot more to really dig into the depths of Scripture than just the  mere conviction you are rig…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    You can go on an anti-intellectual  rant all you want about the “wisdom of the world.”

    What if scripture did that? Would you be against scriptures. What if Jesus said it. Would you be against him? I guess you must be because I said it and you are against me.

    For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

    And the world has its hands in s…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    You can go on an anti-intellectual  rant all you want about the “wisdom of the world.”

    What if scripture did that? Would you be against scriptures. What if Jesus said it. Would you be against him? I guess you must be because I said it and you are against me.

    For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

    And the world has its hands in s…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    It takes a lot more to really dig into the depths of Scripture than just the  mere conviction you are right

    I can prove your wrong here. I am very willing to really dig deep into scripture with you in a debate because that is what it takes to dig deep. Otherwise you will skirt around the issues with this and that comment and not dig deep into e…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    The rest of your post shows you want to unduly attack the “experts” as being all “biased” simply because they do not agree with your views.

    Sorry but you either misunderstood you you understood and told a lie. I never said and do not believe that all experts are wrong or make errors because of their bias.

    Show me where I said that. If you cannot…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Sorry, t8, that really doesn’t answer any of my questions.  If anything, your response makes your position appear even more untenable, as now you feel teh Father isn’t eternal either

    Read again. Of course the Father is eternal.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Your reference to science seems way off topic, not an analogous situation

    You missed the point then. I established that mainstream science and religious experts believe many things contrary to what scripture says. Thus you either trust in the scriptures or you trust in the opinions of so-called experts. Of course this is not true with all…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    I have yet to see you demonstrate any knowledge or study of any Trinitarian writings or doctrines or solid sources of biblical scholarship.

    If understanding scripture was hard and we needed to rely on experts to interpret it for us, then we would need to put our trust in man. But scripture is not hard to understand if you have the Spirit and hear…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    I have yet to see you demonstrate any knowledge or study of any Trinitarian writings or doctrines or solid sources of biblical scholarship.

    If understanding scripture was hard and we needed to rely on experts to interpret it for us, then we would need to put our trust in man. But scripture is not hard to understand if you have the Spirit and hear…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    HI, t8,

    OK, so at what point prior to creation did Christ come along?  Why?  How? At what point did God teh Father come along?  If the Son is not eternal, then neither is the Father, as you can’t be a Father  without a Son?  So, what was leading up to these major changes in God prior to creation? What would you call God prior to being either…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    HI, t8,

    OK, so at what point prior to creation did Christ come along?  Why?  How? At what point did God teh Father come along?  If the Son is not eternal, then neither is the Father, as you can’t be a Father  without a Son?  So, what was leading up to these major changes in God prior to creation? What would you call God prior to being either…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    HI, t8,

    OK, so at what point prior to creation did Christ come along?  Why?  How? At what point did God teh Father come along?  If the Son is not eternal, then neither is the Father, as you can’t be a Father  without a Son?  So, what was leading up to these major changes in God prior to creation? What would you call God prior to being either…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    HI, t8,

    Generally, scholars understand Philippians to be claiming  that Christ preexisted as God and that the surrendered  certain  privileges of such divinity in order to accomplish his mission.  That is based on a keener understanding of the Greek here than what you have.  That is way some Bible translations simply read “who being in very n…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    HI, t8,

    Generally, scholars understand Philippians to be claiming  that Christ preexisted as God and that the surrendered  certain  privileges of such divinity in order to accomplish his mission.  That is based on a keener understanding of the Greek here than what you have.  That is way some Bible translations simply read “who being in very n…

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    Did you not think the messiah was born?

    Lol yes, he was born the messiah that day in a manger. Did you not think that he was born the messiah that day?

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    Did you not think the messiah was born?

    Yes, he was born the messiah that day in a manger. Did you not think that he was born the messiah that day?

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    kerwin, the problem you guys have is not me, it is that angel of God because that angel is the one who delcared:.

    Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.

    I am not into ignoring scripture nor do I want to believe something that contradicts it.

    I believe that message of the angel, so instead of…[Read more]

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    Eight identical twin studies in the U.S,, Australia, and Scandinavia over the last two decades arrive at the same conclusion: Homosexuals were not born that way. This is said proof that homosexuality is not genetic.
     

    “At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a sci…[Read more]

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    To Satan.

    Did you read the second post in this topic? It offers evidence that homosexuals are not born that way. If the data is wrong, then show us why.

    I will quote the post in my next post for your convenience.

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    Yep, I saw his post. I will let him stay and monitor the situation. He is not beyond help, so will leave it for that reason. If he turns out to be here to cause trouble only, then I can remove him easily enough.

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