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    Kerwin, no scripture say men are “born” perverts, we are all born with sexual potentials unless the person is born a eunuch, the desire for sex is genderless, it’s just a strong desire causing lusts in all males and females, all nornal humans have it, now if their minds are not channeled properly, humans will engage in all kinds of sexual behav…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 1 month ago

    I agree Gene. Yes, there are too many people that rely on their educational credentials, but that is not how scripture works. Its meaning is revealed to those who hear the voice of the shepherd and humility not pride is the way to see. But I am giving Hoghead ample chance to show the scriptures and processes that lead to his understanding. He…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 1 month ago

    I agree Gene. Yes, there are too many people that rely on their educational credentials, but that is not how scripture works. Its meaning is revealed to those who hear the voice of the shepherd and humility not pride is the way to see. But I am giving Hoghead ample chance to show the scriptures and processes that lead to his understanding. He…[Read more]

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    What did he empty himself of? Yes his life and his privilege.

    And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

    He got it back.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Looks like you might be a bit scared. Tell you what. Just quote the scripture itself that is all you need to do. Then I can prove to you that your statement about a lack of depth is wrong and that will give you a chance to say sorry. That’s a win win.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Rocket science? If an eternal God begats a son, then that is not rocket science either. I am simply stating that which scripture already states itself. God who is eternal has begotten a son. He is the only begotten of the Father. What you need is faulty rocket science if you want to baffle your way around that.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Rocket science? If an eternal God begats a son, then that is not rocket science either. I am simply stating that which scripture already states itself. God who is eternal has begotten a son. He is the only begotten of the Father. What you need is faulty rocket science to try an baffle your way around that.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Rocket science? If an eternal God begats a son, then that is not rocket science either. I am simply stating that which scripture already states itself. God who is eternal has begotten a son. He is the only begotten of the Father.

    What scripture are you going to use as the best example of the Trinity?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Rocket science? If God is eternal and he begats a son, then that is not rocket science. I am simply stating that which scripture already states itself.

    What scripture are you going to use as the best example of the Trinity?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    What scripture are you going to use as the best example of the Trinity?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Okay I will prove you wrong.

    Let’s dig deep right here and I will give you the advantage too.

    Quote me your best scripture that teaches the Trinity and I will prove to you why it doesn’t teach the Trinity.

    Here is the chance to delve into this scripture and give it the depth of investigation it deserves.

    I await your scripture.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Okay I will prove you wrong.

    Let’e dig deep here and I will give you the advantage too.

    Quote me your best scripture that teaches the Trinity and I will prove to you why it doesn’t teach the Trinity.

    Here is the chance to delve into this scripture and give it the depth of investigation it deserves.

    I await your scripture.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Read again.  If the Father is eternal, then so is the Son.

    You said that I said that the Father was not eternal. You were wrong.

    And your statement is silly.

    I am a father and have a son.

    Who would say “If his father is 50 years old then so is the son”.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    hoghead. You are the one afraid to have a true debate on scripture. Not me. Cults are afraid of doing this because their ideas a extra-biblical like the Trinity is. They cannot rely on scripture to back up their view.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Well, we are already debating.  As for some sort of big debate, no, I’m not interested.

    Then you have to retract your statement about me not digging deep into scripture because that is the very thing I want to do and you turned me down.

    It takes a lot more to really dig into the depths of Scripture than just the  mere conviction you are rig…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    Well, we are already debating.  As for some sort of big debate, no, I’m not interested.

    Then you have to retract your statement about me not digging deep into scripture because that is the very thing I want to do and you turned me down.

    It takes a lot more to really dig into the depths of Scripture than just the  mere conviction you are rig…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    You can go on an anti-intellectual  rant all you want about the “wisdom of the world.”

    What if scripture did that? Would you be against scriptures. What if Jesus said it. Would you be against him? I guess you must be because I said it and you are against me.

    For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    You can go on an anti-intellectual  rant all you want about the “wisdom of the world.”

    What if scripture did that? Would you be against scriptures. What if Jesus said it. Would you be against him? I guess you must be because I said it and you are against me.

    For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

    And the world has its hands in s…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    It takes a lot more to really dig into the depths of Scripture than just the  mere conviction you are right

    I can prove your wrong here. I am very willing to really dig deep into scripture with you in a debate because that is what it takes to dig deep. Otherwise you will skirt around the issues with this and that comment and not dig deep into e…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 10 years, 2 months ago

    The rest of your post shows you want to unduly attack the “experts” as being all “biased” simply because they do not agree with your views.

    Sorry but you either misunderstood you you understood and told a lie. I never said and do not believe that all experts are wrong or make errors because of their bias.

    Show me where I said that. If you cannot…[Read more]

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