So believing that each message to the seven churches as actually being a message to each of those churches is the earthly view?

Are you sure about that? Prove it. I am willing to view this proof.

So believing that the message to the seven churches as actually being a message to those seven churches is the earthly view?

Are you sure about that? Prove it.

Also, you never explained why the Father is not called the “Father of God”.

I do accept the distinction between God and the son of God. Dont’ you see? The diagram that you posted, that shows that Jesus IS NOT the Father and is NOT the Holy Spirit, but it also shows that He is the Father and is the Holy Spirit. That’s unique existence that only God has.

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I do accept the distinction between God and the son of God. Dont’ you see? The diagram that you posted, that shows that Jesus IS NOT the Father and is NOT the Holy Spirit, but it also shows that He is the Father and is the Holy Spirit. That’s unique existence that only God has.

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God chose Israel as his nation to show the world that he was God. The other nations gods couldn’t win against the God of Israel. The only times they were defeated were when they rejected him. The USA, Australia, New Zealand etc are not Israel. You are free to not vote for anyone, but if it were against the law, would you still abstain from…[Read more]

God chose Israel as his nation to show the world that he was God. The other nations gods couldn’t win against the God of Israel. The only times they were defeated were when they rejected him. The USA, Australia, New Zealand etc are not Israel. You are free to not vote for anyone, but if it were against the law, would you still abstain from…[Read more]

you should study Israel when they ask for a king like the nation around them ,who did they rejected ?

when Jesus came the chosen king of God what did Jesus preached ? a return to submission to God his father

You are agreeing with me then. While the people wanted a king like the other nations, God gave them what they wanted but at a price too.…[Read more]

T8,

I BELIEVE in those verses that you show me. I have read all of them many times.

Rubbish. If you believed them, then you would accept the distinction between God and the son or God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

We both know that you teach that both are God as you believe that Jesus is God the Son right?

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Okay, I will let you have the last word though so you will be happy. Feel free to make a post and put the words ‘last word’ in it.

Jesus is revealed as OF God as you point out. OF has a specific meaning that relate to the words like ‘derive’ or ‘from’.

My son is not me, although he has my nature. Simple really. Two humans, but one humanity. Two persons, one nature.

God is not a nature but primarily an identity or life who has a nature. But God is not nature first, but has a…[Read more]

Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels.

Does this mean:

Then there was terrorism in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels.

T8,

Your story makes sense indeed, but only if Thomas said thank you God. He did NOT, though 🙂

He said to Jesus “My Lord” and also “My God”. Not thank you God.

Once again, you clearly have twisted the Scripture and given it meaning that is not there….

I really hope you can see that your position is full of twisting the Scripture instead o…

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T8,

Your story makes sense indeed, but only if Thomas said thank you God. He did NOT, though 🙂

He said to Jesus “My Lord” and also “My God”. Not thank you God.

Once again, you clearly have twisted the Scripture and given it meaning that is not there….

I really hope you can see that your position is full of twisting the Scripture instead o…

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Of course you don’t have to vote if it is not mandatory I shouldn’t even have to elaborate on that. But if it were law, then perhaps so. Paying tax is mandatory under the laws of the world and Jesus said to obey that. For me, if a leader arose and one of his or her policies was to make abortion illegal, then instead of me praying about this…[Read more]

John sent seven churches a message that existed in that day. It doesn’t say that it was all the Churches or some of them and it doesn’t matter. The letters were addressed to specific locations that existed. But you say this doesn’t matter as it is all an allegory.  Thus he might as well have sent a message/letter to the Church of the moon b…[Read more]

This video does a good job at refuting the interpretation of some of these so-called Trinity proof verses.

Good post Jael.