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Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
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Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
If Jesus came from God, then how can he be God that he came came. Sure he will be like him and perhaps even have his nature. The revelation of Jesus Christ’s origins in scripture is that he is of God. He is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
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born
bɔːn/Submit
adjective
existing as a result of birth.
“she was born in Aberdeen”
having a specific nationality.
suffix: -born
“a German-born philosopher”
having a natural ability to do a particular job.
“he’s a born engineer”Yes we existed before being born. We were conceived.
conceive
kənˈsiːv/Submit
verb
past tense: conceived; past…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
born
bɔːn/Submit
adjective
existing as a result of birth.
“she was born in Aberdeen”
having a specific nationality.
suffix: -born
“a German-born philosopher”
having a natural ability to do a particular job.
“he’s a born engineer”Yes we existed before being born. We were conceived.
conceive
kənˈsiːv/Submit
verb
past tense: conceived; past part…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?
The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.
But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.
Perhaps a substance that contains two persons like the Trinity with one less member.
But the head of Christ is God and the head of the woman is the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?
The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.
But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 7 months ago
You seem to think that He emptied Himself of His divine essence in order to become flesh. Do you think that?
I think he emptied himself of his former position, place, and power to be born as an innocent baby and grow up learning as he goes as we all do. For sure he learned obedience through this experience, he learned to relate to us in our…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 7 months ago
You seem to think that He emptied Himself of His divine essence in order to become flesh. Do you think that?
I think he emptied himself of his former position, place, and power to be born as an innocent baby and grow up learning as he goes as we all do. For sure he learned obedience through this experience, he learned to relate to us in our…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 7 months ago
You seem to think that He emptied Himself of His divine essence in order to become flesh. Do you think that?
I think he emptied himself of his former position, place, and power to be born as an innocent baby and grow up learning as he goes as we all do. For sure he learned obedience through this experience, he learned to relate to us in our…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 7 months ago
You seem to think that He emptied Himself of His divine essence in order to become flesh. Do you think that?
I think he emptied himself of his former position, place, and power to be born as an innocent baby and grow up learning as he goes as we all do. For sure he learned obedience through this experience, he learned to relate to us in our…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 7 months ago
Trump for 8 years -Kim Clement 2007 Prophetic word
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Before you listen to this prophecy, take note of the years these were delivered, 2007 & 2014.
These points stand out to me:
“And then I heard “gold.” I wasn’t sure if this was attached to his name, but He

Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 7 months ago
Thanks Ed. Gold.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 7 months ago
Thanks Ed.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Gal 4:4,5 but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
This verse makes me think of Jesus being held in reserve until the time appointed by God to call the whole world to himself which is much different…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Gal 4:4,5 but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
This verse makes me think of Jesus being held in reserve until the time appointed by God to call the whole world to himself which is much different…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
If Jesus was the Logos ever by God’s side through eternity,then was he the one who gave the Mosaic law?” for the law came by Moses,but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ”,Jesus in St John says to the Jews “is it not written in your law”. Should he not say my law or at least our law? The way St John and Paul contrast the law and Jesus I have a ha…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
Also not long after that at age 17,I read a book called “Jesus in Exodus” written by a former Jew who had converted to Christianity in which he explained how it was really Jesus on Mt Sinai who had given the law and of course all the types and shadows of Christ etc. It made sense but it didn’t.
Personally I think there is a good chance that Jesus…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 7 months ago
God is not a man but he became one to redeem us …etc.
But scripture says that God sent his son into the world. He sent his son to save us so we could become sons.
He didn’t become one of us so we could become God.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Listen to this Muslim in the forum Other Faiths 9 years, 7 months ago
Personally, I think the Koran mimicked and lifted much from the Bible so as to sound and look like the scriptures. Also, it is easier to plagiarize than come up with original content. but copying or mimicking is an important way to deceive. We are told that Satan poses as an angel of light for example.
And it is in this copying that certain…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 7 months ago
You seem to be confused. Jesus is the firstborn of many brethren from death.
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him…[Read more]
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