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Proclaimer replied to the topic Republic vs Democracy in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Wow, that was thoughtful from your dad. I take it that you are not entitled to the land anymore. Australia is one of the wealthiest nations in the world today and is very similar to the US, that is, its a modern western country.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
@nickhassan, you know the Earth is sphere because what?
Scientific instrumentation? Photos? Space rockets?
You know the Earth is sphere because it is logical to assume it is due to the weighty amount of evidence from many different fields, the weightly evidence for the continent of Antarctica, and for other reasons right?
But here’s the thing…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Basic logic in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
Kerwin…..anything Nick disagrees with he uses his trump card “it’s carnel logic” that tends to give him the advantage of knowing the difference, putting him on high ground, to take pop shots at others, but when he does speak about things he uses simple logic like we all do.
God has given us all minds to reason with, and with his help our reasoni…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Basic logic in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
I do not know if I could figure out that there was but one God from nature itself.
God is eternal, if not someone preceded him, thus he is not God. So did two God begin at the same time? What was before them. Do you need nature to know there is one God @kerwin? No, just simple irrefutable logic that we would all do well to listen to.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Logic in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 8 years, 4 months ago
lol. When you are proven wrong, change the subject slightly or change the direction? Jesus died for humans. He was for humans. Newton believed in God, not in the infallibility of humans. Logic is not a bad thing in of itself.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Not expecting an answer to everything here, but really is this just another fake video financed by the society responsible for hiding the Flat Earth.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Is Hell eternal? in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
True Gene. It was preferred that men could let their yes be yes and no be no, but many were not worthy.
However, the chips fell where they may years ago too. It was just that breaking the yes be yes and no be no in the debate section took time for the penalty of being banned to take place. It was neither a quick reaction, a reaction based on one…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Is Hell eternal? in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 4 months ago
Hi Anthony. We do understand from scripture that hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire which is the Second Death. Thus hell is not eternal because it is not a permanent fixture whether we consider this age or the next, or the one after.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Questioning all reality and not just the universe’s structure
I have spent a while now studying Quantum Physics and this puts all our observations in question regarding what the physical realm really is. Many think the universe actually exists as a physical thing and consciousness was created inside this reality, when in actual fact, consciousness…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
The math can be wrong and the God who created the solar system must be amazing
So, before you bring up another heliocentric “proof”, why not first consider why we can all see things in the distance that would be impossible to see if the earth really was a ball 25,000 miles in circumference? Or how we can see the top of the moon eclipsed, whil…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Your right Mike, there are too many points here to answer them all. I have seen some of the videos you have posted and I have also seen videos that attempt to debunk some of these points. I have kept these in my own heart and mind and not spoke about them to any great depth. Right now, I feel that most of the points can be debunked, but would love…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Mike, why would the heavens be so big?
Because God creates worlds not only one world. He also has myriad of angels.It is said that we can never explore the universe because we would need to travel faster than light, way faster in fact, and anything with mass cannot break the light speed barrier. But spirit beings do not have physical mass, thus…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Mike, New Zealand is home to the world’s largest Dark Sky Reserve, the Aoraki Mackenzie Dark Sky Reserve. I camped there many years ago and the sky was simply incredible. You could see satellites clearly or stars that moved across the sky really fast that they had to be close to Earth. I even witnessed a comet or some kind of celestial object with…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Mike, like two fish in a tank, the Flat Earth model could lead one to argue that outside the tank is God, but I could argue that it is not the Most High God because the God outside the tank is in a bigger construct than the fish tank, thus that God must have a much bigger God who created the much bigger construct that our God lives in.
But we…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Aliens? From where?
Aliens from outside the firmament. The disc could be sitting on their mantelpiece.

Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Ah, but everybody on earth would know that the sun lamp and the firmament were created, right?
Funnily enough yes because men can be stupid. If it is too amazing, it is not created, but if it shows design and it is simple and finite, then it is created. That is because we create finite stuff all the time so it would be not too far above what we…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
All scientist are doing is comparing our bodies which are physical to the universe which is physical. The ignore how consciousness and life came about. Thus, Flat Earth or not, they would come up with the same conclusion. In the Flat Earth, they could say our bodies are made up of particles that are being emitted by the sun lamp in the firmament.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Mike.
I believe that men would reject God more if the Flat Earth theory were true. They could conclude that aliens could have created our existence because it is within the bounds of an intelligent species to create such a world. A pet rabbit may be clever enough to figure out that its cage is not everything there is. It probably knows that the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Copernicus also assumed these alleged orbits were perfectly circular. Now they tell us they are elliptical in nature – which is another thing that refutes the heliocentric model. But more on that to come.
The heliocentric model shows how simple the wandering stars elliptical (or not) orbit is. Usually when the complex becomes simple with a cha…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Can we be the light of the world?
No reason at all. It most certainly could look like that. But then the observational evidence would have to support it, and it doesn’t. But what exactly were you looking at? You think it’s a sphere, because you’ve been programmed to think that. But what if it’s just a circular light in the firmament? …
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