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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Proclaimer 5 years, 2 months ago

    First error

    Please remember that the Hebrew Messiah will not change Tanakh and in fact he will up hold it. It was purely the creation of NT writers that the Messiah would change every thing and invent a new religion. No where this is supported in the Hebrew Bible.

    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come t…[Read more]

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    53:7 “He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth.” Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in…

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    It’s really clear to anyone who has never read Isaiah 53 who in history this is talking about. Even Atheists say it sounds like Jesus even if he never existed.

    And of course to those who believe Isaiah 53 is scripture and that Jesus is not the messiah, well there is no limit on how creative you can be to deny this is Jesus despite him standing…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Proclaimer 5 years, 2 months ago

    Messiah is expected to rule physical kingdom (Not spiritual as imagined by Christianity) for God’s people Israel.

    The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Proclaimer 5 years, 2 months ago

    Hebrew Bible is full and all sufficient for its religion and does not require any thing more as its Canon was already finalized with all the books in the Tanakh. Christian statement of Old (Law) required only for condemning sin is a another misinterpretation of God’s Torah. Messiah is expected to rule physical kingdom (Not spiritual as imagined b…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Proclaimer 5 years, 2 months ago

    The naming of ‘Old’ and ‘New’ Testament was the creation of Christianity.

    Quite useful I think.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Proclaimer 5 years, 2 months ago

    Well if that statement is meant to be that Jesus is God, then he is a double minded man. Or he changed his mind. However, I’m betting that what he was saying is that Jesus is divine. In other words, the same wording as John 1:1. That is, no definite article preceding the word ‘theos’.

    Like I have said countless times. People get confused over…[Read more]

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    God is speaking

    For to which of the angels did God ever say,

     

    God is not speaking

    But about the Son he says,

    The Son says…? The Psalmist says…?

    Psalm 45 is directed at a human king. Some say Solomon. Another meaning of the word ‘theos’ is mighty one. If this can be said of a human king, then how much more the one who sits on throne next…[Read more]

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    More globe earth trickery

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    God is speaking

    For to which of the angels did God ever say,

     

    God is not speaking

    But about the Son he says,

    The Son says…? The Psalmist says…?

    Psalm 45 is directed at a human king. Some say Solomon. Another meaning of the word ‘theos’ is mighty one. If this can be said of a human king, then how much more the one who sits on throne next…[Read more]

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    “For the transgressions of My people He was stricken”. What people was Isaiah part of? The people of Israel, of course. So “my people” refers to the people of Israel. Therefore Israel cannot be the Suffering Servant of the Lord.

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    Undebunking “The Forbidden Chapter” Isaiah 53 Conspiracy
    The 17th century Jewish historian, Raphael Levi, admitted that long ago the rabbis used to read Isaiah 53 in synagogues, but after the chapter caused “arguments and great confusion” the rabbis decided that the simplest thing would be to just take that prophecy out of the Haftarah reading…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Proclaimer 5 years, 2 months ago

    When was the son begotten as you compare him with Logos and Wisdom?

    If the messiah’s name is Jesus, then Jesus is the Christ.

    If Jesus name is the Word of God, then he is the Word of God.

    He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Proclaimer 5 years, 2 months ago

    These were the quotations by the Pre-Nicene Fathers quoting the same New Testament and nothing new in these statements. Of course there is no support for these statements in the Hebrew Bible.

    The main narrative with an old and new testament is that the old gave the law and condemd sin in mankind. It promises a messiah.

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    I appreciate your comparison of Taj Mahal with the creation of God. But the problem here, Taj was not made before (the birth) or marriage of Muntaz to Shahjahan, the Indian Emperor.

    I think this statement is irrelevant because the pupose of saying this was to argue how one person can go to the utmost length for another because of love. Knowing…[Read more]

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    John 14: 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to be with you forever. 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and remind you of all that I have said to you.

    Who is God? He is the Father.

    What is God? He is spirit.

    God exists outside his own crea…[Read more]

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    John 14: 7 If you know me, you will know my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.

    You really cannot get the Tri…[Read more]

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    Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

    At best, we cannot say that Matthew 28:19 teaches a Trinity, but could certainly lead people in that direction if their hearts were wayward.  However, this is one of these verses that are thought to have been a…[Read more]

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    Let’s do an experiment. If the NT teaches that God is a Trinity, then let’s look at this verse again and replace the word ‘God’ for ‘Trinity’?

    The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with all of you.

    Now apply the Trinity filter:

    The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of The Trinity,…[Read more]

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    Ambiquity?

    The verse you quote is clear that the Father is the one true God. Let’s take a look.

    2 Corinthians 13:13
    New Revised Standard Version

    The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with all of you.

    This passage teaches us that Jesus is Lord and the Spirit gives us fellowship and note it…[Read more]

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