because of the ambiguity with strange concepts of Messiah who had supposedly involved in God’s creation and become a Savior figure who gives life to the dead which is no where found in the Hebrew Bible.

Something a person who is blind to the spiritual would say.

Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be born f…[Read more]

Yes you got the point behind my negation of the NT as it had deviated from its original source and made the mess of every thing.

Whereas, I see that the mess is in your own mind and some other people’s mind too. Both testaments are in perfect harmony. They are both revelations but the latter is greater. This is also true with regards to science.…[Read more]

Hi proclaimer, you blame me for not being spiritual?

Blame is a bit strong of a word. I believe we all have the choice to be spiritual or remain carnal.

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.… 

I just don’t understand at all how people believe that Jesus is the word of God as in he is the word of God

That is easy to answer. It comes from the New Testament and some people believe the New Testament.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things w…[Read more]

So you think that I am struck at carnal?

Correct. You say it evolved, but what if the plan of God is to take men from carnal to spiritual. Then you would see a basic understanding with numerous ways it could play out to revelation where we see it play out and understand its fulfillment.

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Hi proclaimer, I agree that the Bible was written by ancient non-scientific people. I don’t think it’s a scientific or historical book as many fundamentalist Christians believe here. You are forgetting that the Old Testament is the basic primary source for the Christian New testament.

Once again, you have completely missed the point. I’ll spe…[Read more]

I have already quoted here I am not a Trinitarian as you seem to think about me. I am only debating here on the NT writings how they had deviated from their original source the Hebrew Bible.

As mentioned before, I realise that. My point is you assume that parts of the New Testament teach or allude to a Trinity leading adherents into confusion. So…[Read more]

Revelation for the children of God can be considered evolution for others.

As you probably know by now, I believe that YHVH is both the God of gods and the Lord of lords, two persons. The God of gods is YHVH, who is the Father, and the Lord of lords is YHVH, who is the Son.

I’m siding with Paul.

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), 6yet for u…[Read more]

Proclaimer,
You said: Propaganda again.
Please enlighten us and be more specific as to what he said that was wrong.

Science is open to scrutiny. It looks at the options and comes up with solutions that best fit the observation and is suppose to test all hypothesis.

Propaganda is a doctrine or theory that is not challenged or questioned. It…[Read more]

I’m wondering about Stu. Has he changed I wonder. Or is he stuck.

Hi proclaimer, I agree that the Bible was written by ancient non-scientific people. I don’t think it’s a scientific or historical book as many fundamentalist Christians believe here. You are forgetting that the Old Testament is the basic primary source for the Christian New testament.

Another failure gadam because the Bible doesn’t teach a fla…[Read more]

Hi Danny, it is good to know that you are not full pledged Trinitarian so far. In the Hebrew Bible ‘son of God’ never meant a literal divine being as imagined by the NT writers. Israel was called the first born son of God as per Ex 4:22 and King David’s son called ‘son of God’ as per 2 Sam 7:14 but they never meant as literal sons of God as misint…

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The NT writers were all Hellenistic polytheist believing Christians. What can we expect from these writers than a mystifying Jesus the supposed Messiah as divine being who preexisting before his human existence.

You lose credibility every time you make an ignorant statement like that.

This is the problem with the NT and Christianity. It revolves round and round the mulberry bush without coming out clearly that Jesus is God or man. I can see this on all threads of this Forum. You want to ‘kill the snake and also not want to break the stick’ an old saying in India.

Its real simple gadam. People read a book written in Greek, Heb…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

I still have a hard time to understand the begotten aspect of Jesus.
We both believe that Jesus shares the exact same nature as His Father.
Because He is His only begotten Son.
Well then how can we consider Him to be a lesser god?
Do you have a child, Proclaimer?
If so, then can you honestly say that your child is a lesser human…

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Gene, was “The Word of the King” in ancient Abyssinia a person or not?

Great question. Did he answer it?

Hi Proclaimer
That means he is not the Son of YHWH then.
Does it sound like denial of the Son?
Neither Proclaimer.

Okay, so he is not the son of YHWH according to you.

It’s good to establish some basic foundations of what you believe in order to answer you.