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Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
Adam please don’t say I hate the Jews because I don’t hate the Jews or anyone else either
Yes, I disagreed with that statement too. I don’t believe for one minute you hate Jews.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
…As we begin with the passage which from early times has been regarded as the oldest Messianic prophecy, namely Gen. 3: 15, which refers to the offspring of the woman, who will bruise the serpent’s head with his heel. It is now generally admitted by those who adopt the historical approach to theology that there is no allusion here to the Devil or…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
Personally speaking gadam, I do not read long posts.
I read posts that make a point and will often reply.
Long posts are hard to deal with because to debunk each point takes forever.
So I usually read till I come across what I think is the first error and then debate that one error.
I will do this now.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
I don’t need to watch a whole video on this. It’s simple to grasp. The OT sacrificial lamb points to the Lamb of God.
A classic case of NT fulfilling OT.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Evolution of Satan – From Hebrew Satan to Christian Devil? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
Hi Proclaimer, thanks for sharing on the topic Satan. But I can not agree with you on Satan as a ‘chief being who opposes God’ as claimed by you. In the Hebrew Bible, śaṭan was never used as a proper name and served merely as a term to identify an adversary.
Its quite simple and logical when you think about it. There are many satans. But there…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Invasion of New Zealand in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years, 2 months ago
Dollars VS Decency: Is China taking over New Zealand?
In calling out China for its increasing aggression, human rights violations and COVID cover-ups, Australia is paying a hefty price for storming the high moral ground. A furious Beijing is doing everything it can, using trade tariffs to punish us economically. But across the Tasman it’s a c…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic Evolution of Satan – From Hebrew Satan to Christian Devil? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
I will leave you with this.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Evolution of Satan – From Hebrew Satan to Christian Devil? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
In that case, the evolution of Satan is done for me. I haven’t learned anything from this topic.
Satan is the adversary of God.
satan is adversary.I knew that before this discussion.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Evolution of Satan – From Hebrew Satan to Christian Devil? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
I request Proclaimer and Princess to share some thing on the topic ‘Evolution of Satan’.
Why?
I request that you and say gene talk about the evolution of the platypus.
Why not.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Evolution of Satan – From Hebrew Satan to Christian Devil? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
Your comparison of two different concepts (Newton and Einstein) is no where related to what I am questioning here on the concepts Messiah. Yes you are also entitled to close your eyes to such deviations.
And just like that you disregard the possibility of one deriving from another with scripture / revelation and allow it with science.
Sorry, but…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
The soul that sins shall die
Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that they should turn from their ways and live?
Amen.
Yet you say, “The way of the Lord is unfair.” Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way unfair? Is it not your ways that are unfair?
Amen.
Again, when the wicked turn away from the wick…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that they should turn from their ways and live? 24 But when the righteous turn away from their righteousness and commit iniquity and do the same abominable things that the wicked do, shall they live? None of the righteous deeds that they have done shall be…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
Your Messiah is a mythical figure not the original Messiah talked in the Hebrew Bible. So what type of hope is this which mystified the very concepts of Messiah? Why hang on Messiah at all if you don’t want a Hebrew Messiah?
Jesus was a Hebrew.
He was a man.
He did what messiahs do. He saved.
The only thing you really disagree with is the s…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 5 years, 2 months ago
Grasping at straws again.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Evolution of Satan – From Hebrew Satan to Christian Devil? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
This is what I am questing on the writings and the new secret revelation of the NT as they had deviated much from their primary source the Hebrew Bible on Messiah.
Newtown physics then Theory of relativity. A deviation or a progression? I guess you would say deviation given that Newtown did not mention many things that Einstein did.
You are…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Evolution of Satan – From Hebrew Satan to Christian Devil? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
This was purely Christian misinterpretation of the Torah, first by Paul then by his followers.
I see. What is the correct interpretation? That the law condemns and we pray forever and ask for forgiveness? If so, how do we know your interpretation is not a misinterpretation? Do you have special revelation or something?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Evolution of Satan – From Hebrew Satan to Christian Devil? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 2 months ago
The same thing applies to any one here as they are sticking to their age old myths which are not based on the Hebrew Bible. I too can quote the same logics for you too my friend.
It is obvious to anyone that the NT is based on the OT. For a start, it quotes the OT more times than I know. Same goes for other books too. The question is not whether…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic 1 John 5.20 – Christ is not the true God? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 2 months ago
The Word was with God.
So whatever form the Word was.
Spirit would be a good guess.
But there is no clear teaching in scripture on this as far as I know.
So I don’t want to fall into the error of saying something is when I would only be making a logical guess.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 2 months ago
I’ll state it like this.
Do you have a fishing rod? Yes.
Do you catch fish? Yes
Are you a fisherman?
See that. Not all people who catch fish are fishermen.
Not all who sin are sinners.
Not all who speak lies are liars.
At what point do you become a fisherman, sinner, or liar?
When you practice it.
I cannot tell you what exactly the t…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 2 months ago
I’ll state it like this.
Do you have a fishing rod? Yes.
Do you catch fish? Yes
Are you a fisherman?
See that. Not all people who catch fish are fishermen.
Not all who sin are sinners.
Not all who speak lies are liars.
At what point do you become a fisherman, sinner, or liar?
When you practice it.
I cannot tell you what exactly the…[Read more]
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