Why call him Messiah if he was not satisfying the conditions for Hebrew Messiah?

What’s the no1 thing that he didnt fulfill that comes to your mind?

Sorry to comment on your post above. The above verses quoted by you are the opinions of the NT writers and are most religious. I was discussing on the historical investigations on the concept of Messiah in the Hebrew Bible. It is nothing to do with spiritual beliefs and convictions here. Hope you will understand my posts.

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We arecaearebthat there are all manner of excuses for rejecting the messiah. God gave us the freedom to choose him. This also includes the freedom to reject him.

Your excuse is Jesus doesnt fit your idea of the messiah as portrayed in the OT.

I guess you are expecting a king of Israel. These things take time. First things first. The sacrificial…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer, I too know the statement but the historians don’t believe what you and I believe and  they are neutral people. So they see the religious stories as myths if they are not able to prove them as per historical methods.

At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank Thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, because Thou hast hid thes…[Read more]

Adam please don’t say I hate the Jews because I don’t hate the Jews or anyone else either

Yes, I disagreed with that statement too. I don’t believe for one minute you hate Jews.

…As we begin with the passage which from early times has been regarded as the oldest Messianic prophecy, namely Gen. 3: 15, which refers to the offspring of the woman, who will bruise the serpent’s head with his heel. It is now generally admitted by those who adopt the historical approach to theology that there is no allusion here to the Devil or…

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Personally speaking gadam, I do not read long posts.

I read posts that make a point and will often reply.

Long posts are hard to deal with because to debunk each point takes forever.

So I usually read till I come across what I think is the first error and then debate that one error.

I will do this now.

I don’t need to watch a whole video on this. It’s simple to grasp. The OT sacrificial lamb points to the Lamb of God.

A classic case of NT fulfilling OT.

Hi Proclaimer, thanks for sharing on the topic Satan. But I can not agree with you on Satan as a ‘chief being who opposes God’ as claimed by you. In the Hebrew Bible, śaṭan was never used as a proper name and served merely as a term to identify an adversary.

Its quite simple and logical when you think about it. There are many satans. But there…[Read more]

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I will leave you with this.

In that case, the evolution of Satan is done for me. I haven’t learned anything from this topic.

Satan is the adversary of God.
satan is adversary.

I knew that before this discussion.

I request Proclaimer and Princess to share some thing on the topic ‘Evolution of Satan’.

Why?

I request that you and say gene talk about the evolution of the platypus.

Why not.

Your comparison of two different concepts (Newton and Einstein) is no where related to what I am questioning here on the concepts Messiah. Yes you are also entitled to close your eyes to such deviations.

And just like that you disregard the possibility of one deriving from another with scripture / revelation and allow it with science.

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The soul that sins shall die

Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that they should turn from their ways and live?

Amen.

Yet you say, “The way of the Lord is unfair.” Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way unfair? Is it not your ways that are unfair?

Amen.

 Again, when the wicked turn away from the wick…

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23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that they should turn from their ways and live? 24 But when the righteous turn away from their righteousness and commit iniquity and do the same abominable things that the wicked do, shall they live? None of the righteous deeds that they have done shall be…[Read more]

Your Messiah is a mythical figure not the original Messiah talked in the Hebrew Bible. So what type of hope is this which mystified the very concepts of Messiah? Why hang on Messiah at all if you don’t want a Hebrew Messiah?

Jesus was a Hebrew.

He was a man.

He did what messiahs do. He saved.

The only thing you really disagree with is the s…[Read more]

Grasping at straws again.

This is what I am questing on the writings and the new secret revelation of the NT as they had deviated much from their primary source the Hebrew Bible on Messiah.

Newtown physics then Theory of relativity. A deviation or a progression? I guess you would say deviation given that Newtown did not mention many things that Einstein did.

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This was purely Christian misinterpretation of the Torah, first by Paul then by his followers.

I see. What is the correct interpretation? That the law condemns and we pray forever and ask for forgiveness? If so, how do we know your interpretation is not a misinterpretation? Do you have special revelation or something?