Ah… but the owner of the forest and his 24 managers don’t reside together everywhere “outside the forest”.  The owner has a throne surrounded by 24 manager thrones at one specific location outside the forest.  So if those thrones are east of your location, then you are NOT looking towards them when you look west, north, or south.  You are only l…

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Proclaimer……what Adam ‘quoted’ directly from scripture is exactly right, you can’t deny it so you come up your “mystery” religious false teachings.

Have you not heard that even we can inherit divine nature. I guess you haven’t. It could also explain your teachings which focus on the flesh.

I didn’t read your whole post Berean because it is a bit long. But of what I did read, it looked pretty spot on.

That word Lord in Isaiah 10:33 is the word adon obviously not meaning a human ruler there. It is not the word adonai, Strong’s #136.

Sounds like it could be any ruler. Perhaps even angels. Mostly men by the sound of ot.

Do you see that word “usually” Gene? That means that adon doesn’t always refer to a human lord. Therefore, you can not say that the adon in Psalm 110:1 is a human ruler just because it is adon. Adon can also mean a non-human lord. I gave you a perfect example of this in my last post to you.

Without looking into it, it sounds like the major…[Read more]

So called divine nature for (a) Messiah is no where mentioned in the whole of Hebrew Bible. He is meant to be human born to human parents as a descendant of David;

Your wisdomappears to be earthly, flesh, carnal.

As the plan of God progresses, more will be revealed about what lies beyond the veil. Or do you think there is just flesh and that’s…[Read more]

Berean…..your last post is a very good post .  I do agree with him. Jesus is indeed the “HUMAN” Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament .  BUT not the “GOD” messiah you and others here preach.

So we who believe will partake of divine nature, but the messiah is in no way divine, ever. He didn’t empty himself and come in the flesh because he has alwa…[Read more]

Please see Strong’s 113 for “Lord” and see that it does not merely mean human ruler but can also apply to a divine ruler even YHVH. Gene seems to be trying to claim that only human rulers are called this but he is incorrect.

It’s like the word minister. It could refer to the prime minister or a minister of a portfolio like transport for examp…[Read more]

Please see Strong’s 113 for “Lord” and see that it does not merely mean human ruler but can also apply to a divine ruler even YHVH. Gene seems to be trying to claim that only human rulers are called this but he is incorrect.

When you put God and Lord in the same sentence, you usually assume that God is greater.

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What’s the Hebrew word for Lord there Berean?

Is that how its worded gene?

If so, you may have taught me something for the first time in these forums.

The bible TEACHES THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD THE FATHER, AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST. (1Cor.8: 6)

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT CHRIST IS NOT (before his incarnation) OF THE SAME PHYSICAL NATURE (SUBSTANCE, ESSENCE) AS THE FATHER.

GOD THE FATHER IS BIGGER THAN THE SON IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS BEFORE THE BEGOTTEN SON.
AS A HUMAN FATHER IS BEFORE HIS CHILD…

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Also, you didn’t address my original point about you and LU looking up to God’s throne at the same time from opposite sides of your ball earth.  Did the illustration help you?  Do you now understand what I was saying?  Do you accept and admit that both of you couldn’t possibly look up above your heads into the sky and see God’s throne surrounded…

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WHAT THE FATHER “IS” THE SON IS ALSO, PHYSICALLY AND SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING …. SINCE THE TIMES OF ETERNITY … AMEN!

IT’S CLEAR !?

HEBREWS 1: 3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person …..

Micah: 5: 2

…. whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

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What I said is 100% precise…

1 Cor 15:27… Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

The One who is in a position to PUT all things under the other one is the One who is the most powerful.  The other one will never have as much power as the One…

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The Father identifies the Son as YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth. Enough said.

I see. So you take a certain view point among others and this nullifies all the clear verses in scripture that say that God created the cosmos through the Son.

You can’t create something yourself and also be the agent by which you create THROUGH.

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Do you see the great deep of waters under the earth? Do you see the foundations of the earth?

Oh yeah, I see it.

What is below that? Or does the water go forever and ever and ever?

Israel is a he/him also.

Good point.

And wayward thoughts take thos and create doctrines that are false.

For example. We could create a doctrine that the Son of God is made up of multiple people. The Son could be a Trinity too if you want to stretch the idea out like you are doing.

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