Quote God Does not leave himself without witness, Most scriptures say GoD alone made everything by his own hands, As I stated. In the old testiment, there is not even a hint that Anyone was envoled in Creation apart from GoD alone, and by no-one else.Did God create you, yet you were made through your parents. Was Eve created by God, yet Eve was…[Read more]

Quote Other prophets were called things that they wernt really, Trueth is relative yet the true truth comes from GoD, Therefore Jesus had the truth, He was called that, Just like Jesus called Simon-Peter The rock, And on whom He would build his church. But they did not build a building on peters body.Yes a name is important, but all godliness…[Read more]

Hi revteri, Thx for your post and yes I agree with what you have said. One can see the anitchrist overtones if one wants to see it, same as one can see some buddhist overtones if one wants to see them.But even if it were true that this story came from the deceiver himself, I still do not have a problem using it as a parable to bring the gospel,…[Read more]

to peter, You then said in your post the following: “simply saying you should have faith without proof is like sending money to a mail order ad promising riches”But God has given us great proof that he exists.Rom1:19,20 it says: “For what can be known about God is evident to them. Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of…[Read more]

The things of God are difficult for us to understand because of us, not God. We (Mankind) has chosen to go his own way rather than follow in the will of God, so we have become alienated by God and we do not understand God nor do we here him. As you are most likely aware God has reached out to Man by sending his only begotten son to this world to…[Read more]

Hi Ringo, Quote What about Your view that Jesus is Wisdom?? Have you changed on that point??I still hold the view that Jesus is Wisdom. As I said b4, I am open to being wrong as I should, but this is my current understanding. You say that Wisdom is a Spirit, that maybe so. I know for example, that Jesus is the Truth and we also have the Spirit of…[Read more]

Hi ringo111, The other points I haven't answered because I didn't read all your post and still haven't.Regarding my point that Jesus was the channel that God created all things through, I still don't see how a channel makes someone a creator. E.g I may bring the gospel to a sinner and he may repent and receive the Spirit of God. But it is God's…[Read more]

Hi ringo111, I won't reply to all your last post yet, but I will look @ the following quotes you mention first:Quote Plz look at the Verses i quoted to proove Jesus is a Co-creator faulse- There are so many that say GoD was the only creator- Even the proverbs quote about wisdom prooves that GoD was the only creator. And only 2 or 3 lil sections of…[Read more]

I do not agree with your idea of Wisdom.Not that I think this is too important as it doesn't appear to be a foundational doctrine. But I still think that God did create all things through his Logos/Son and that Jesus is the Wisdom of God. As I said b4, wisdom is a concept or a part of God himself and therefore we can be children of wisdom just as…[Read more]

Quote (ringo111 @ Mar. 05 2004,01:10)Yes – I believe there to be a spirit that GoD sends out called Wisdom Who is Female- or at least refered to as a female-……..There are two types of wisdom-(1)The actions someone takes because of what they think is best. (Wisdom)(2)The Creature/spirit(Wisdom) GoD created2) GoD created a Spirit called…[Read more]

A good post Surgeon83, Evolution is certainly an interesting theory, but it does encompass other ideas that are certainly true. E.g Adaptation of species where certain traits that are allowed in the gene pool become apparant when environmental conditions change to favour that trait in sexual reproduction and/or survival. I think that those people…[Read more]

To ringo111,I haven't read your post yet, but I wanted to say that even though I thought that you may have misunderstood me, I do certainly appreciate your questions as they keep me focussed more on what I am teaching and this is certainly a good thing. So more power to ya.Anyway I can see that you have a belief that Wisdom is a Spirit of God (a…[Read more]

I also offer these words from Tatian (165 A.D.)God was in the beginning, but the beginning, we have been taught, is the power of the Word. For the Lord of the universe, who is Himself the necessary basis of all being, inasmuch as no creature was yet in existence, was alone, but inasmuch as He was all powerful, Himself the necessary ground of…[Read more]

To John, I thank you for your posts and I am still searching this out. I think the following is an interesting quote:Christ… the Power of God, and the Spirit of God, as the Word, the Reason, the Wisdom, and the Son of God. I offer these quotes from Tertullian who wrote in the early 200's.The object of our worship is the One God, He who by His…[Read more]

To Ramblinrose, thx for the links. Will let you know what I think.

To ringo111,Quote This does not make her (wisdom) to be Jesus. Jesus says she(wisdom) has children- That wisdom makes actions. And besides this- In proverbs- Wisdom is not said to be Hung on a tree- or a sacrifice for sin- wisdom is not called the son of the most high GoD, The lord or anything Like Jesus position- she directs people to Jesus who…[Read more]

Hi ringo111, nice picture/avatar BTW.I am saying that 'she' is used when it is referring to wisdom in concept and in the masculine when talking about a person. Another regularity when personifying something is the article. E.g The Truth is different to 'truth'. One is a person and the other a quality.I personally do not see that wisdom is a…[Read more]

I forgot to say this: The word 'she' is often used when talking about objects or concepts. We even do it today when we talk about things like our house, boat, even the wind for example. When 'he' is used it is usually used in reference to a person.Wisdom is referenced as 'she' in the conceptual part of the scripture and then as a 'he' or man after…[Read more]