Hi Dora, It appears that what you believe is not what scripture says:Micah 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. “

To K2marsh, To sum up your post K2marsh, are you saying that there is one God and that we, Jesus and the Father are that one God.Or are you saying that there are many gods, but for us there is one God the Father?

Hi liljon,Let us reason together.Isaiah 44:24 24 Thus says the Lord that redeems you, and who formed you from the womb: I am the Lord that performs all things; I stretched out the heaven alone, and established the earth.Yes God alone created the heavens.But he created it through his son.Hebrews 1:2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his…[Read more]

To K2marsh,1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (English-NIV)5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we…[Read more]

Quote (Adam Pastor @ Jan. 20 2005,08:53)I knew that you would say this, no surprises here.  

Micah 5:2 (NIV)”But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. “(KJV)But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is…[Read more]

I knew that you would say this, no surprises here.If I believe that wisdom in God was given birth as the first of God works, then I do that knowing that I am quoting scripture. Also as far as I know 'prudence' wasn't given birth or begotten and therefore is spoken of as an attribute. But wisdom is spoken of as an attribute and then it changes once…[Read more]

Quote (DORA @ Jan. 18 2005,01:07)for example, in the creation account of Adam you find that God formed the body & breathed into it & Adam “became” a living soul or spirit man, thus, this indicates clearly that the body & spirit as a whole = the soulMy understanding is as follows:Hebrews 4:12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than…[Read more]

Quote (Adam Pastor @ Jan. 13 2005,09:09)To be conceived & to be begotten is scripturally, exactly the very same thing!Proverbs 8:22-30 22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, { Or ; or } { Or ; or } before his deeds of old; 23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. 24 When there were no oceans,…[Read more]

Logos can mean word, utterence, thought, reason, expression etc.The point is that this Logos was WITH GOD in the beginning.Not in God, or not even God himself. But with God.John 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was god. Do not be surprised that we are all the thoughts of God. We were not created without…[Read more]

Jesus was saying that he was before Abraham. It is correct, that he wasn't saying he was the 'I AM' of the OT.The question that was asked him was as follows:John 8:57“You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” Jesus was reply was as follows:John 8:58″I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham…[Read more]

To DORA,This is a good place to discuss this. I have copied this from the Trinity discussion.Quote (DORA @ Jan. 15 2005,14:48)THIS DOESNT MEAN THE SON WAS WITH GOD IN THE BEGINNING…IT MEANS HE WAS THE PURPOSE FOR CREATION…THAT PURPOSE WAS SPOKEN BY GOD ON DAY ONE OF CREATION, “LET THERE BE LIGHT”…THE LIGHT IS THE SON, BUT THAT ISNT WHEN THE…[Read more]

Hi WIT, I have a post for you on the previous page too.Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 07 2005,17:21)Let me clarify one thing.  I did NOT mean to suggest that Yahweh would come down in a physical body and stand on the Mount of Olives when I was discussing the Zechariah passage.  I assumed that we all agreed that Yahweh is not a physical being.  All re…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 07 2005,17:21)Nice job.  However, even if we assume that these passages are talking about a pre-existent Son, this still falls short of proving the validity of the scriptural tool that Nick is using.  These passages would only imply that Yahweh made all things through His son, not that He does all things through His son.  …[Read more]

thanks for your answer.Let me think about it.

True Human,My take is that grace is greater than Law. Law is God's standard yes, but that can be superceeded by grace. Therefore are we thankful for the Law that condemns us or grace that forgives us?I know where my vote lies and as Paul said himself, the greater the sinner the more reason to give thanx.Thanks be to God who cares for us and saved…[Read more]

Quote (Caroline @ Jan. 07 2005,10:38)Surely it is the person who matters.  A rose by any other name etc.I think that by getting hung up on a name we run the risk of concentrating on the letter of the law, as the Pharisees did, rather than the spirit of the law, which Jesus taught us was the only  important thing.  God hears your meaning when yo…[Read more]

So is Yahweh a real name?Is Yehshua derived from Yahweh?I have read some writings on this subject but everyone seems to have a different opinion and all seem to think they are right.This doesn't stop me from seeking though.

To WIT, Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 05 2005,17:49)Zechariah 14:”4And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east.  And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south.”Either this…[Read more]

To WIT, Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 05 2005,17:49)Great.  I assume that the principles that you are using to interpret the scripture are…well, scriptural.  So can you point me to at least two scriptures that say that Yahweh does all His work through agents?Try these:Ephesians 2:10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good w…[Read more]