Hi Proclaimer, I asked you earlier what’s the truth here?

First you convince your Christian brothers and sisters here, on your so called convictions. Then I will understand your convictions are reasonable and based on truth.

If you say that Jesus is God, then you have serious contradictions in the scripture. If you say he is and only ever was a c…[Read more]

If we reject sacrifice, mercy, and grace, then we might as well throw away the Old Testament. These by the way are the theme of the New Testament. God desires mercy over sacrifice, but sometimes you need to sacrifice something to gain mercy. This is true even in our lives. Elite athletes for example sacrifice their social life to attain trophies.…[Read more]

it’s seems like your god says, well you didn’t make the cut so whilst we wait here in heaven you all are going to have to suffer it out on earth, here’s a book ………….good luck.

And prophets, teachers, preachers, apsotles, etc. Not to mention that we can call on the name of the Lord at anytime.

there is also the revelation of kepha that states a…

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lol
you know t8 sometimes you astonish me.
Your god changed things up with his son. Satan however seems the same to you. is that irony or an oxymoron, i cant decide.

It’s neither.

It is obvious that men are dealing with sin in the Old Testament. And Satan is the author of that sin. There has to be an author. The Son of God on the other hand is…[Read more]

Well put Ed J

Hi Proclaimer, thanks again for your reply to my post. I am not alone in stating that the NT is diversity than unity on the nature of Jesus.

It really is not hard to understand. I guess that God makes people blind to this by handing them over to the spirit of confusion.

The Word that was with God was divine and became flesh and is now back in the…[Read more]

Nice try but that is not what the trinity is.

Incorrect. The Trinity which is basically the creed of the Catholic Church and daughters basically states that the Trinity is a matter of salvation in that adherents need to believe that God is a Trinity in Unity made of the same substance. The members are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.…[Read more]

Yes the poetic passage you quoted from Phil 2 is mythic in nature on Jesus the man. It is a much debated topic on various Forums. ‘God sending his beloved son for redemption of souls’ is no where found in the Hebrew Bible. If it is so much important a theme, I think the Hebrew Bible certainly must have recorded it and reminded every one on thi…

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gadam, when you know the truth there is no contradiction because there is no contradiction in truth.

Doctrines in scripture are clear and in unity. So-called contradictions are easily cleared up. They are simply misunderstandings that can be cleared up easily enough.

I challenge people when they say there is contradiction.

Miia. Your old account can be saved and this account merged with it. If you are interested.

There is nowhere in the Bible that says that Hell lasts forever. It is actually very clear that it doesn’t and this is truth is consistent throughout the scriptures. Think about what the Devil would do if he wanted to turn people away from God. He would take control of the faith and bear false witness about it. Very few actually read the…[Read more]

@berean

John 1:1

John 20:28

Notice the definite article where Thomas says “the Lord of me and the God of me” in the interlinear below. He is referring to Jesus, btw.

The words that Thomas’ spoke to Jesus literally mean ‘the Lord of me and the God of me’. This is simply an address to two identities. If Thomas wanted to say that Jesus was Lord and God too, he would have said:…[Read more]

Proclaimer

And the Word WAS “THEOS”

The context, you admit it means “DIVINE”
Now, HEBREWS 1: 3, HOW ARE YOU INTERPRETING?

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,

DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS ACCORDING TO HEBREWS 1 EXCEPT THE SON OF GOD?

THE BRIGTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON (ESSENC…

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The Trinity. “Three persons, one substance”. Thus the substance is the one true God (He) and three persons (they) qualify as being in the club. The Binity is similar, but without the third member. Further, there are many takes on the Trinity.

Proclaimer

You are wrong

The bible Say  That the son OF God IS “THEOS “AND THAT THE FATHER IS “THE THEOS” (JOHN 1)

Using that measuring stick, then angels and men are also God. Theos without the definite article just like John 1:1c means a qualitative interpretation rather than a literal one  identifying a person.

Hi Proclaimer, sorry it’s not I who mentioned about the Word. Please refer my post to Gene which you  have replied.

Fair enough gadam. But I will say that you make the argument here that the New Testament is inconsistent in that it teaches he is God then a man etc.

In actual fact the New Testament is consistent whether it is true or not. Here is…[Read more]

I should add this.

Many think God is a nature or substance. So all who have that nature are God.

But God is a HIM and HE. A committee of persons with divine nature are not God and would certainly not be addressed as HE or HIM.

Here is the truth.

God is the Father. Jesus is his Son. We are the Sons of God. Jesus calls us brethren. God calls…[Read more]

God has divine nature, but many teach divine nature has God
Here is a difference between identity and nature. You can change your nature, but you are still you. For example, the Son of God was divine, but he emptied himself and came in the flesh. Yet, regardless of nature, he was still the Son of God.

Yet doctrines like the Trinity define God…[Read more]