Hi Rudy, Quote (Rudy @ April 26 2005,06:37)Let's take T8's only source for foundation that he has laid, other than misinterpretation of scripture, Proverbs 8:But how have I misinterpretted scripture by saying that the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is the Almighty God and only him. Let's start with this one then.1 Corinthians 15:24-28 24 Then the…[Read more]

Hi Rudy,Are you are getting deperate now? You cannot fault the truth that there is one God, the Father and that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. So you now turn to this in the hope to make me look foolish or to create a smoke screen. Why not tackle the real issue here? But to put the Wisdom theology into perspective I will first point out that this…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 26 2005,06:07)Q) Jesus is a being.I believe that Jesus is the son of God. He was begotten of God. He is the firstborn of all creation. I even think that he may have been Wisdom. Before creation I am not sure what he would have looked like. Perhaps as the Logos he was just thought with God, or a spirit. I do not know.…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 26 2005,02:57)No, I didn't think you could. At least trinitarians have an answer to this simple question. BTW demons are spirits too, but that is not what their being is.To Is 1:18, Why can't you accept the testimony in scripture. Yeshua is the son and we are sons. We are men and so Christ became a man. But we will be like…[Read more]

Yes Nick it is simple to understand. Scripture teaches it clearly, so it is silly to teach otherwise.It makes me wonder where people are coming from, when they teach against scripture and are aware of it too.Why do people blatantly teach against scripture? What profit can be derived from it?No man can see God, except the one who is FROM God. Who…[Read more]

Yeshua is divine. His nature was and is divinity. His life came from God. Yeshua is the begotten of God. He was not derived from anyone or anything except God his Father. He then emptied himself and took on another nature, flesh. He became a man. Yeshua was and is now a divine being. The son, and now also the firstborn from the dead.BTW God is Spirit.

To have the form of God is different to being God.As mentioned before, God is the Divine and Yeshua has divine nature. That is Christ's form, divinity. He then took on another nature namely the flesh and became a man. Notice that it says that he existed in the form. It doesn't say that he existed as God himself, which some who come here are trying…[Read more]

Is 1:18, it is a mystery to what we will become, but we will be like him.He is the Son and we are sons. He has divine nature and we will partake of that nature.He is the image of God and we were made in the image of God.Jesus will call us brethren (brothers). But we should call no one Father but God in heaven.Of course Christ is different to us.…[Read more]

I simply parrotted the conclusion that he is trying to drive home. I said it sarcastically so that the readers can see that I do not agree with it. Prov. 26:4-5“Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit”.This is why I answered the way I did. I believe that this teaching is foolish and sometimes by saying what the tea…[Read more]

Bless you Cubes. I encourage you to keep fighting the good fight.The truth that you fight for is no small thing. But the truth sets us free. False teachings come from the evil one in order to bind us up. The Kingdom of God suffers violence, but you are one of God's warriors.

Quote (Rudy @ April 25 2005,17:40)The reason Christ is THE ONLY “Door” is that God took on flesh, in human formAmazing. You said it yourself Rudy. And how apt that you should say this in a discussion titled “The antichrist spirit”. Here is a test for the antichrist spirit.2 John 1:7Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in…[Read more]

Is 1:18 Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 25 2005,16:13)A couple of things that add weight to Stroshow's view.1. When Abraham saw these visitors he immediately ran to them, bowed to the ground and said “My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant”. Would he say this to an angel? I think not.2. When the Sodom…[Read more]

Quote (stroshow @ April 25 2005,15:53)Moses says Jehovah appeared to Abraham, but YOU say,Moses was wrong it was not Jehovha, it was an angel.Stephen says in Act 7:2 that Abraham saw the God ofGlory, but YOU say, no Stephen was wrong it was anangel.To Sostrow,I am amazed that I even have to say the following:I do not say what you have said I say.…[Read more]

thx Greg,Your post is an interesting one. I certainly agree with most of it. Some other parts I am not sure about, but I will remain open to your words. I might learn something new?

To Is 1:18, What do you think it is to be born-again. It is to be begotten of God. Begotten and born is the same word. To be begotten from above is to be born again.We are all created, but those who are born again will live eternally just as Christ. For as he is we will be also. By his (christ's) life we live forever. We will be like Christ in…[Read more]

To Is 1:18,Quote He is taking a literal interpretation of a key escatological passage and comparing scripture with scripture to reach a logical conclusion.Take the logical conclusion into the following scriptures then:1 Corinthians 8:5-6 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 24 2005,22:28)I did defend it, and you ignored it.You didn't defend it well. For your argument is against scripture.God's name is YHWH. He is the only Almighty GodYHWH begat a son. His name is Yeshua/Yahshua/JesusHis son is the image of God, his father. God sent his son into the world to save us.Some humans will partake of the…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 24 2005,21:42)Quote (t8 @ April 24 2005,01:59)God is the Divine and he begats sons in his image.Sons? Christ is the only begotten Son of God. If there are other begotten sons of God, can I have some evidence of their existence please.1 John 3:2. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 24 2005,21:37)What kind of beings will we be? We will be humans with resurrection bodies.We will be like Christ.So you say that we will be men (I am not disagreeing), yet you know that scripture says that we will partake of the divine nature. Therefore we who are the offspring of God yet being perfect men flies in the face…[Read more]

You bend scripture to suit your distorted view. Why do that? What do you think will be your reward?Yehsua is the Word OF God. He is not YHWH.Men will worship God as you said. But Christ being YHWH is false teaching.If you resist scripture and truth, then God will allow you to do it. But what will be your reward for doing so?