Hey welcome Copperlyne,I do not think that there is much in the bible itself, but I know that other authors have written on this subject.I heard someone say that the first heaven was the sphere around the earth where demonic princes dwell. The next level is the starry universe and the 3rd was the Throne room of God. I really do not know for sure…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 28 2005,22:18)Quote How high do you want me to jump again? This high t8:Quote Jesus is a being.This is not a point scoring exercise t8. Since we agree on the issue of 'Who Jesus is' (He is the Christ, the son of the living God), the issue of Jesus' being is actually the nexus, the epicentre of the debate over His deity. To…[Read more]

Quote No t8, I will not accept the word “devine”. And nor should I. It is, at best, merely connotative (by your reasoning, that is) and not at all denotative of the being of Jesus. I need a word that denotes the being of Jesus in the same way that the word 'human' denotes ours. This is a legitimate question and I need a legitimate answer. Where…[Read more]

Also we should be careful as to what we partake in. We too can be held accountable for just partaking. If you know it is wrong, then do not partake.You are free to align yourself with any true believer in God's kingdom if you yourself are a true believer. It doesn't even have to be a denomination. I personally find meeting in homes to be a good…[Read more]

God is awesome. He created a universe and we live on a planet that revolves around a star of which there are about 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone. On top of that the Hubble Telescope has revealed 100s of billions of galaxies each with hundreds of billions of stars. Now scientists are discovering other planets that revolve around other…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 27 2005,19:14)I have only spoken according to the scripture, I have not changed their meaning, I ask you to believe what they say and NOT read more in than is ther.  for instance:The Word became Flesh!  It does NOT say anywhere that Yeshua was spiritually begotten.  It says rather that in the beginning, (Genesis 1:1) God (Y…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 27 2005,18:04)Whatistrue,Yeshua laid His glory down when He came in the flesh!  While incarnate He is the Son of God!Rudy, Your explanation doesn't hold. Even now that Christ is in glory in heaven, he still calls his Father, God.Revelation 1:1  The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must s…[Read more]

Yes Nick. We certainly need to be wise whilst we travel through the valley and shadow of death. Life is not a walkabout. It is a journey and we can only reach the destination by travelling in the right direction. If we stray from the path, then we can be wandering around the wilderness for the rest of our lives.The path to life is a narrow one. So…[Read more]

Quote (Cubes @ April 27 2005,14:03)It's a shame when we can't all sit together and open the bible, reading line upon line, page upon page… when we extract verses to construct our defense of the word.  Though it is practical and necessary, it seems to muddle the issue for us, altogether.I agree Cubes. But even Jesus had the same problem with the…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 27 2005,17:19)Christ rebuked Peter on more than one occasion for being of the wrong spirit.Rudy,When Peter said the following “”You are the Christ, the Son of the living God”, what did Jesus say?Matthew 16:13-1717 Jesus replied “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 27 2005,17:00)So T8 and Nick,I guess that makes you polytheists then, am I correct?Oh no, how many times have I heard this accusation.Rudy if you understood the following scripture, you wouldn't have asked this qustion.1 Corinthians 8:5-6 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are…[Read more]

Hi Cubes,Thanks for your post. It is certainly clear why John wrote his gospel. The conclusion that John came to is not the conclusion that men came to with their creeds. As you are fully aware there is a difference between what men say and what the Apostle said.John 1:1b says that the Word was with God and John 1:1c says that the Word was God, so…[Read more]

Quote (Rudy @ April 27 2005,07:52)T8,You sound an awful lot like the serpant in the Garden.”Did God really say…””He doesn't really mean…””The word doesn't really say…””The word doesn't really mean…”Think about it!When Jesus said “before Abraham was I AM” He meant it, every word!Yes that is true, he meant every word of it. He did exist…[Read more]

Hi Greg, No one could be saved if Jesus didn't die for our sins that is true. I think this is what you are saying.God is sovereign and he has promised that all in his son will be saved. But if God chooses to save the Jews or those who existed before the time of Christ, then he can do it because Jesus died for all mankind. He paid the price.It's…[Read more]

Rudy when the men asked Christ if he was Jesus of Nazareth, he answered the same way that you would if someone asked you if you were Rudy (or whatever your name is). You would say something like 'I am'.We find that these 2 words 'I am' in the New Testament are used by men and angels too. Gabriel says “I am Gabriel”, for example. But he wasn't…[Read more]

To RudyQuote (Rudy @ April 26 2005,08:21)T8This is your post that started this.  'Till then I had not seen your spirit, this post made it apparent that you are setting your own “private” interpretation as “The Gospel”.  That has been the position of all false teachers.Actually T8, I'm not desperate at all!The repentant heart will do works mete f…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2005,21:45)Quite so dear cubes, Men prefer the exotic to the simple. It flatters their vanity to seem to figure out stuff. However it is all written and we are meant to find it and not create new 'truth's. We should not be primarily going to the Israelites to learn about Salvation in Jesus.Yes it appears that what God…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2005,13:24)Hi Rudy, We agree scripture saysGod is in JesusJesus is in God.Those statements seem to read to youGod is JesusJesus is God.But look again . That is not what they say and in fact they say the reverse. It I am IN something , like a room or a being ,for example, then clearly I AM NOT that place or being.Satan…[Read more]

To stroshow,Quote (stroshow @ April 27 2005,00:01)The new testament passages that speak of no one seeingGod, obviously do not refer to Jesus. We agree onthat. They refer to the Father. You say they refer tothe Father, because only the Father is God. I say theyrefer to the Father because the context indicates thatthey refer to the Father, and…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ April 26 2005,21:16)Quote (t8 @ April 25 2005,11:36)I do however think that you are not really interested in the truth.I am interested in truth t8. And at present I am particlarly interested in this truth: What being is Jesus? Can you supply the true answer please?Hi Is 1:18, You say that Jesus is a God being because like produces…[Read more]