Another possible example of messengers not being cherub or seraph is in the following accounts:John 20:12and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.Luke 24:4While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing;Here we have 2 accounts. One…[Read more]

I totally agree Nick

Yes Cubes. The Father is Jesus's God and or God. Although Jesus is not the Most High, he is a divine being. His nature is from God.He did partake of human nature when he came to earth however, and in that sense he was a man.

Well let's start off with 1 John 5:7.Is it scripture or not?

The KJV contains errors so how can it be infallible?If we are to say it is an infallible translation, then we have to accept that 1 John 5:7 is scripture, which it isn't. That is but 1 example perhaps the most serious one. Also I quote the following from another website. I haven't had time to read it fully myself, but I quote it in order for you…[Read more]

Yes it does.Thanks for that.

Yes it does.Thanks for that.

It is also possible that paradise is not necessarily one place but a state. E.g., Eden and Heaven.Some have suggested that Hades was also divided into two places as mentioned in Luke. One part was for the wicked and the other for the righteous (hence paradise). When Christ was raised from the dead, he took those in the paradise part of Hades with…[Read more]

It is also possible that paradise is not necessarily one place but a state. E.g., Eden and Heaven.Some have suggested that Hades was also divided into two places as mentioned in Luke. One part was for the wicked and the other for the righteous (hence paradise). When Christ was raised from the dead, he took those in the paradise part of Hades with…[Read more]

Yes I too think it is talking of the heavens, or physical universe and not the throne, third heaven, paradise, or whatever it is called.

I do not believe that wicked men will burn (consciously) forever.First off, the spirit (the part that makes the soul live) goes back to God who gave it. If God lets the wicked live in pain for eternity, then it would be fair to say that his breath (life) would have to remain in them and consequently the breath (spirit) of God would also exist in…[Read more]

Demons can inhabit any kind of body. Large bodies make no difference. It is the heart that determines what kind of spirit lives inside.

True Nick.All bibles have strengths and weaknesses.2 Timothy 2:15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ June 24 2006,19:53)“Do we Christians really need one more thing to disagree about?”I agree. But promoting 1 version bible as valid while putting down the others is surely going to be one more unnecessary thing to disagree about is it not?

Thanks Nick. BTW it is not compulsory to participate, but if you want to pursue this subject then by all means do, and I look forward to input from anyone else too I agree it is a theory and haven't suggested otherwise. It is also the reason I put it into the inferred doctrines forum. However I think that just because something can only be…[Read more]

Nick I don't think you understood what I was saying.I was saying that the word angel can apply to cherubs, seraphs, and to prophets, and is also used in reference to John the Baptist and Jesus in Malachi.My point wasn't to say that angels don't exist, but to say that the angel of the LORD is what translators choose to use, but messenger of the…[Read more]

Quote (Jefe Gordo @ June 23 2006,19:01)The story of Peter's angel from Acts 12 is very interesting. Peter was only a man but they readily assumed he had an angel. Does that mean we all have angels? I think we may all have guardian angels but the story in acts makes the relationship between a man (Peter) and his angelappear to be much more than…[Read more]

Yes just as the Father sends Jesus, Jesus can send his or an angel.The Book of Revelation 1:1 explains this well.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2006,21:50)Hi t8,Do you believe there is a class of heavenly beings that is superior to natural man and, if so, what is their name?Should they be called heavenly messengers?I am pleased the translators have given us a name by which to distinguish these beings other wise it would be bizzarre. Does Archangel become chief…[Read more]

To kenrch, My guess is that it's Michael. But just because the bible says that Michael is an archangel, it doesn't exclude that there are other archangels. Many think that Gabriel is also and that Satan use to be the Chief Cherub, so he was one too.However the bible doesn't go into the subject of angels to a great degree. The Book of Enoch is much…[Read more]