Hi Dunno.I will read your post later today.thx

Quote True t8,there are gray areas or non essential issues we can have in- house debates on, but we don't and SHOULDN”T divide over them.To me saying water baptism is just an “outward sign of inward grace” cheapens it to me. That's how I percieve such statements. Many of these same people who say such are the same one's that say that all you have…[Read more]

Quote If it was an outward sign of inward grace then it claims man is to able to arganise God.Nick you are allowed to believe that baptism isn't a demonstration of God's grace. I am also allowed to believe that man is baptised when he has faith, which comes from God's grace. I think that the root is God's grace and that God's grace manifests in…[Read more]

Yes Woutlaw,“Faith without works is dead” (James 2:26)That verse sums it up nicely.

The Word came from God and then God created all things through his Word.Jesus on the other hand is begotten. He came directly from God. That is why he is called the image of God. He isn't the source and he isn't the result of God creating through his word, i.e., created. Because he is the Word that God created all things through. That is why he is…[Read more]

Yes if we are body, spirit, and soul then how can Christ, (who is greater) be only spirit and body. Especially considering that he was like us.This is where the idea that God took flesh came from. It is antichrist i.e., against Christ, against anointing, against the truth.Mark 14:34″My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he…[Read more]

The Word was WITH God.Not the Word was in God.Yes the Logos is God's expression and is an attribute of God. But the Logos was with God as a seperate identity to God. The Logos in John 1:1 is preceeded with an article defining the this Logos as an identity, not an attribute. Scripture goes on to define the Logos as Christ.But even God begats us…[Read more]

Quote (Woutlaw @ July 07 2006,23:44)Water baptism isn't an outward sign of inward grace. There isn't even a scripture to even prove this. This is something many of these so-called theologians conjured up to make themselves appear intelligent and sophisticated.Water baptism is a watery grave. You are uniting with the Lord Jesus in his death.…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ July 07 2006,21:55)Is 42 pages a record No

Sure brother.But I am also mindful to not reject someone with a strange teaching. I remember once back in the 80s someone told me the Trinity was a false teaching and I spend maybe an hour trying to convince them the Trinity was biblical. The point is I rejected this person's message because his words were strange and contrary to what I was use to…[Read more]

Thanks Semmy.Iron sharpens iron. (ouch)If enough people loved the truth more than their own lives, then the works of Christ would be fulfilled. The gospel would be preached to all nations and there would no doubt be unity of the brethren.Keep up the good work. What we do matters.The Kingdom of God is like a mustard seed.

Yes I agree. But even those who use such words are not completely cut off from Christ using them.I am a firm believer in listening to people as often times Christ speaks to us in this manner. When we think we are rejecting a person, we may also be rejecting Christ too.I believe in a fair hearing for all and not a quick rejection based on something…[Read more]

Hi Nick, Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 07 2006,21:52)Hi t8, Catholicism loves words like “sacraments” That is how they justify the baptism of infants believing that obedience in faith by the parents “makes” God cleanse men in their inner cup. But such teaching ignores the need for repentance and personal faith, and turns water baptism into a magic…[Read more]

Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ July 07 2006,21:32)t8,I did not say water baptism is not nessessary. I have said it is not nessessary for salvation. I said if a man dies who was born again, and was not baptized by water, that it is up to God if that man enters into the kingdom of God. For only God knows the hearts of men. I said baptism should be…[Read more]

Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ July 07 2006,20:25)It is Christ who is in us that makes us obedient to God. It is nothing that we do. To think it is us is the lie of the devil. We cannot be obedient to God. It is only our faith in Jesus that we have hope. The more faith we have in Jesus, the more he lives in us and the less self will is in us. The…[Read more]

Here is something I read on another website. It may be of interest even if only to glean a few points from it.God Works Covenantally First, you need to understand that God works covenantally. A covenant is a pact or agreement between two or more parties. The New Testament and Old Testaments are New and Old Covenants. The word “testament”…[Read more]

Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ July 07 2006,20:33)No t8, because we do need water baptism. To say that one should not have it is to make God's word noneffect. It does not say do not get baptized. It says to get baptized. But it does not say baptism saves you if you do not get it. Even though it is symbolic, the lord said to do it. Just as he said…[Read more]

heiscomingintheclouds, “if I said we do not need to baptised in water, it is only a symbol”, would that close the topic for you?

Are we to repent? What is repentance?I say I am going to repent of my sins and then I follow up on that.We are baptised into Christ. I obey that and Christ follows up with our obedience and perfects us through his works.I am not saying that we do it all ourselves. But we do have to do our bit. Otherwise if it was all Christ, then we wouldn't need…[Read more]

To heiscomingintheclouds, Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ July 07 2006,18:38)It doesn't save you though t8.Show where water baptism saves you.I thought we setted this already.Constantine was water baptised on his death bed in case there was a judgement. He saved it to last so he wouldn't be judged for sin before his baptism. If water baptism saved…[Read more]