Hi brother Gene, Rome was no where in the vicinity of Danielic Four Kingdoms.

What are the 4 kingdoms then?

Surely history shows us the kingdoms that succeeded one another.

It’s really easy from our view point in history. You act like we are still living in Daniel’s time and looking into the future.

The past has already happened.

What does…[Read more]

To all……Rome, “was”  the fourth “world ruling” empire,  until 476 Ad,

Rome had two legs. The capital was moved to the east and it existed for another thousand years or so. The west divided into barbarian kingdoms and in time the countries of Europe. You see only the Western Roman Empire because your world view is western.

Know your history.

So now that we have the heads as kingdoms and Revelation being lifted from Daniel statements out of the way. What is the next sticking point you have or the next thing you would like to discuss?

Further, it is common sense that the future gives you more insight and foresight as far as history goes.

A fool sees otherwise.

Hi Proclaimer, finally you have come to conclusion that OT is narrower and the NT is wider.

Are uou serious? What made you think I just concluded that? Certainly nothing I have said. Its common knowledge.

For some reason, your statements keep missing the mark.

You need not search some where else to find their meaning here. The original texts contain the meaning and insights. I tell you there are no Seven Kingdoms in Daniel but it certainly talks about Four (world) Kingdoms.

It is well understood that Daniel got a narrower view of said empires.

Revelation which is much later, has a wider scope.

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Mountains are kingdoms in scripture.

The mountain is also said to be a king.

Daniel talks of a king and referenced kingdoms.

Enough said.

Case settled.

Arguing against this just looks desperate to me.

It is clear.

Move on.

Hi Proclaimer,

Jesus and His Father are both deity not just divine.

I believe this is what John 1:1 teaches.
“what God was, the Word was”

Clearly in your own post you have distinguished two. God and Jesus. That is good as the scriptures do this too.

Regardless of what the difference between deity and divinity is, you subconsciously or not rec…[Read more]

Every living thing that has ever been begotten was a new creation.  So always keep in mind that it isn’t any scripture, but merely your own personal desire that leads you to believe that Jesus is the only exception to that rule.

The rule is that there was nothing made that wasn’t made through the Logos.

And who is the Logos?

He came directly fr…[Read more]

I believe the following is correct:

The Son is theos

The Son is god

The Father and the Son are theos

The Father and the Son are god.

The Father is not the Son.

Two persons are theos.

Two persons are god.

There is one god.

Two persons act together as one god.

For us, there is one God, the Father.

For you there is one God, the Father and…[Read more]

Why the seven mountains are seven kingdoms
In the Book of Revelation we read about a beast comprising of seven heads rising out of the sea. Many are the interpretations of what the heads are and what this Beast is exactly. But we are told in the Book of Revelation that the seven heads are seven mountains and also seven kings. But how do we know…[Read more]

Why the seven mountains are seven kingdoms
Mountains in the Old Testament of often kingdoms or empires. In Jeremiah. 51:25 we see that Babylon is called a mountain.

“I am against you, you destroying mountain…”

And in Ezekiel 35:2, we read:

The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face against Mount Seir, and prophesy agai…[Read more]

One theory among many.

It doesn’t tick many if any boxes.

Do you have any other theories you want to propose or quote?

Most see the seven successive empires of history in that part of the world.

It fits nicely and of course would not have been an option for many who lived before this history or part of it.

So you have conceded that your two points are contradictory.

The more you hold onto them, the more you debunk your own arguments.

If you push argument 1, that debunks argument 2.

If you push argument 2, that debunks argument 1.

It would be good to know which of the two is more important to you.

Daniel is talking about kingdoms and so is Revelation.

Daniel is narrower in scope.

Revelation and knowledge increase with time.

And there is more to come.

Too many people live in the past.

You can send a letter if you want.

Or send an email or post today.

Hi Proclaimer, I don’t know what is this (weight) lifting on Biblical texts. New Testament writers had lifted much from the Hebrew Bible to suit their agenda in this case the book of Revelation. This writer cleverly never quoted any writer of the Hebrew Bible but taken much from the book of Daniel.

Okay. Further proof for you that the heads w…[Read more]

It seems absurd to believe that it was lifted except for the kingdoms part.

Weird.

Is it worth addressing?

I think it defeats itself.

Is there any point?

But you agree that your two points in question are contradictory?

Adam.

If you make two points and they contradict, then obviously in the best case scenario, I have to debunk two points knowing that one is clearly wrong on the outset. Whereas, if you put forth the point that really bugs you, I can focus on one point and either double my effort or it would only require half my time. In short, it is hard spending…[Read more]