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Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
You need not search some where else to find their meaning here. The original texts contain the meaning and insights. I tell you there are no Seven Kingdoms in Daniel but it certainly talks about Four (world) Kingdoms.
It is well understood that Daniel got a narrower view of said empires.
Revelation which is much later, has a wider scope.
It…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
Mountains are kingdoms in scripture.
The mountain is also said to be a king.
Daniel talks of a king and referenced kingdoms.
Enough said.
Case settled.
Arguing against this just looks desperate to me.
It is clear.
Move on.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years ago
Hi Proclaimer,
Jesus and His Father are both deity not just divine.
I believe this is what John 1:1 teaches.
“what God was, the Word was”Clearly in your own post you have distinguished two. God and Jesus. That is good as the scriptures do this too.
Regardless of what the difference between deity and divinity is, you subconsciously or not rec…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years ago
Every living thing that has ever been begotten was a new creation. So always keep in mind that it isn’t any scripture, but merely your own personal desire that leads you to believe that Jesus is the only exception to that rule.
The rule is that there was nothing made that wasn’t made through the Logos.
And who is the Logos?
He came directly fr…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years ago
I believe the following is correct:
The Son is theos
The Son is god
The Father and the Son are theos
The Father and the Son are god.
The Father is not the Son.
Two persons are theos.
Two persons are god.
There is one god.
Two persons act together as one god.
For us, there is one God, the Father.
For you there is one God, the Father and…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Beast Revealed in the forum Prophecy 5 years ago
Why the seven mountains are seven kingdoms
In the Book of Revelation we read about a beast comprising of seven heads rising out of the sea. Many are the interpretations of what the heads are and what this Beast is exactly. But we are told in the Book of Revelation that the seven heads are seven mountains and also seven kings. But how do we know…[Read more]Proclaimer wrote a new post 5 years ago
In the Book of Revelation we read about a beast comprising of seven heads rising out of the sea. Many are the interpretations of what the heads are and what this Beast is exactly. But we are told in the Book of

Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
Why the seven mountains are seven kingdoms
Mountains in the Old Testament of often kingdoms or empires. In Jeremiah. 51:25 we see that Babylon is called a mountain.“I am against you, you destroying mountain…”
And in Ezekiel 35:2, we read:
The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face against Mount Seir, and prophesy agai…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
One theory among many.
It doesn’t tick many if any boxes.
Do you have any other theories you want to propose or quote?
Most see the seven successive empires of history in that part of the world.
It fits nicely and of course would not have been an option for many who lived before this history or part of it.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
So you have conceded that your two points are contradictory.
The more you hold onto them, the more you debunk your own arguments.
If you push argument 1, that debunks argument 2.
If you push argument 2, that debunks argument 1.
It would be good to know which of the two is more important to you.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
Daniel is talking about kingdoms and so is Revelation.
Daniel is narrower in scope.
Revelation and knowledge increase with time.
And there is more to come.
Too many people live in the past.
You can send a letter if you want.
Or send an email or post today.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
Hi Proclaimer, I don’t know what is this (weight) lifting on Biblical texts. New Testament writers had lifted much from the Hebrew Bible to suit their agenda in this case the book of Revelation. This writer cleverly never quoted any writer of the Hebrew Bible but taken much from the book of Daniel.
Okay. Further proof for you that the heads w…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
It seems absurd to believe that it was lifted except for the kingdoms part.
Weird.
Is it worth addressing?
I think it defeats itself.
Is there any point?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
But you agree that your two points in question are contradictory?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
Adam.
If you make two points and they contradict, then obviously in the best case scenario, I have to debunk two points knowing that one is clearly wrong on the outset. Whereas, if you put forth the point that really bugs you, I can focus on one point and either double my effort or it would only require half my time. In short, it is hard spending…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
Coming to the book of Revelation yes it has taken genre and motifs of the book of Daniel but its visions are not quite equal to Danielic you can observe this when we study the Chapters 13 & 17.
If that is the case. Then are you going to drop the argument that kings don’t represent kingdoms?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
So you are going to drop your argument that the writer of the Book of Revelation lifted the content from the Book of Daniel?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 5 years ago
Please answer my previous post.
The Egypt, Assyria, Roman and the Ottoman Empires are no where visible in Danielic visions. Please see my post on Dan 11 for more details.
It doesn’t say anywhere that Daniel saw all the empires.
Many believe the empire he did see are:
Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.
You can disagree. But disagreement…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years ago
Now to your question.
I believe 7 is right.
7. Adam and Eve are manI would have said the following:
- Eve is adam
- Eve is man
- Adam and Eve are adam
- Adam and Eve are man
Because adam and man are the same word and Both Adam and Eve are man as is each person too.
Are you man? Yes.
Are we both man? Yes.
Regardless, your answer shows that…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years ago
Hi Proclaimer,
Jesus is God by nature.
I agree with that.
But what’s then the conclusion.
Listen to what Irenaeus also said:
“Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father.”
(Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.10.1.)Clearly we read from Irenaeus that there is one God who is the God of Jesus…[Read more]
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