The son is the son OF God.The true God is the Father.If the Father is the true God, and Jesus is the son of God, then we understand the truth and there is no confusion or disharmony.1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; ….John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. John 1:18No man hath seen…[Read more]

Jesus is not the Almighty God, he is the son of the Almighty God, the Lord, and the Word of God.Simple, even a child can believe this. True faith believes in one God – the Father and one Lord – Jesus Christ. True faith understands that God made Jesus both Lord and Christ. True faith understands that Jesus is at the right hand of God, interceeding…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2006,02:11)Quote To WorshippingJesus.Your conclusion about my writing is incorrect.I said that Jesus is the image of God.And we are MADE in the image of God.One difference is that Jesus wasn't made.So I never said that there was no difference, I outlined the difference, but you came to the wrong conclusion. The…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 11 2006,14:21)T8Nice to talk to you again.You say…QuoteWe will also be like Christ and Christ is like God.In fact Jesus is the image of the invisible God.He is the image.He is not the God that he is reflecting and declaring.HE IS THE IMAGE OF GOD.We are MADE in the image of God.So you really believe there is no d…[Read more]

Welcome Roger.I agree that Hell isn't eternal, for it is written that it will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and the Lake of Fire is the Second Death.But as far as saying that God will save all, I do not agree (if that is what you are saying).Scripture is clear that the wicked will perish and be destroyed. There are many scriptures that talk of…[Read more]

To WorshippingJesus.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2006,23:38)When you can show that the scriptues teaches that we should not bow down and worship the Son as God, when the Father himself calls him God and commands the Angels to worship him,and the Father exalts him as Lord of Lords and King of Kings,and gives him all power and authority, and…[Read more]

True. They believe in the Trinity that much that not even scripture will talk them out of it.When I believed in the Trinity doctrine myself, I believed it with little understanding. But the Spirit led me to test all things regarding my faith and that one came up wanting.So I guess that if what I know now was presented to me back then, I am sure…[Read more]

Quote (sscott @ Dec. 12 2006,00:03)This is what I find happens when people cannot explain scriptures that seem to contradict what they believe is true. Instead of searching it out they just quote some other “proof text” to back up their doctrine. It's debating at such an immature level that I would hardly call it debating or dialog. It's rather…[Read more]

True 942767.We are required to believe that Jesus is the Messiah and the son of God. Why do we need to add anything in addition, especially a doctrine that was added later on and caused not only controversy but was enforced by the Roman Beast with the sword.

1 John 5Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.So is this good enough or do we have to add that we must ALSO believe that Jesus Christ is God.The answer is no. There is nothing in scripture that says we must ALSO believe that Jesus Christ is God.In fact the opposite…[Read more]

Amen.Keep praying everyone.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Dec. 12 2006,03:26)blah, blah, blah…..OK, but how about a reply to the questions instead of a bunch of blah.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Dec. 12 2006,03:26)Some more meaningless questionsIn other words, do not challenge me I cannot make a defense. So shuddup a ya face or I will get kinda mad and start using words like ontological again.

As far as I know, I have looked at all or most of the scriptures that Trinitarians use in support of their time developed doctrine.See https://www.heavennet.net/writings/trinity-05.htmIf I have missed some out, then perhaps they can be added to that writing in order to provide an even stronger case.I haven't seen 1 Trinitarian take the scriptures…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Dec. 12 2006,03:07)So we have one “mighty” and one “almighty” God? Isn't that two Gods? I thought there was only one…..Correct. There is only one God, (the Father).John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.1 Corinthians 8:5-6 5 For even if there are…[Read more]

Good questions seekingtruth.I suppose that if we believe with our whole spirit, soul, being, that we would be doers of the word. But belief in the mind only doesn't necessarily mean that one will act upon that knowledge because such beliefs may not be in our heart.In the end what a man says and does is what is in his heart, not necessarily what is…[Read more]

I don't expect that you guys will get an answer. I have been posting here since 2001 and they just avoid these kinds of questions and give you “my lord and my god” and other stuff (usually the same 5 scriptures) that they think sways their way. I cannot remember in one instance where they even attempted to answer some of the clear scriptures…[Read more]

I can only say for certain what scripture says:God is the Father of JesusGod gave Jesus life and Jesus can impart that lifeJesus is a divine being, but not the Divine being. In other words he has divine nature but emptied himself for a timeJesus was the Word/LogosThe logos is an attribute of God but God expressed his logos so that the Logos was…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 11 2006,21:40)I believe in Creator and created there is nothing else is there?Yes.There is God who is.There is creation, i.e., that which is made by God through Christ.There is that which is begotten of God and not made through Christ.There is only one begotten of the Father who is full of grace and truth. He is the…[Read more]

To WorshippingJesus.If you believe the following, then why do oppose it?It is written that God created all things through Christ.It is written that the head of the woman is man, the head of the man is Christ, and head of Christ is God. i.e., God > Christ > ManIt is written that there is one mediator between God and Man.It is written that Christ is…[Read more]