Welcome Roger.I agree that Hell isn't eternal, for it is written that it will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and the Lake of Fire is the Second Death.But as far as saying that God will save all, I do not agree (if that is what you are saying).Scripture is clear that the wicked will perish and be destroyed. There are many scriptures that talk of…[Read more]

To WorshippingJesus.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2006,23:38)When you can show that the scriptues teaches that we should not bow down and worship the Son as God, when the Father himself calls him God and commands the Angels to worship him,and the Father exalts him as Lord of Lords and King of Kings,and gives him all power and authority, and…[Read more]

True. They believe in the Trinity that much that not even scripture will talk them out of it.When I believed in the Trinity doctrine myself, I believed it with little understanding. But the Spirit led me to test all things regarding my faith and that one came up wanting.So I guess that if what I know now was presented to me back then, I am sure…[Read more]

Quote (sscott @ Dec. 12 2006,00:03)This is what I find happens when people cannot explain scriptures that seem to contradict what they believe is true. Instead of searching it out they just quote some other “proof text” to back up their doctrine. It's debating at such an immature level that I would hardly call it debating or dialog. It's rather…[Read more]

True 942767.We are required to believe that Jesus is the Messiah and the son of God. Why do we need to add anything in addition, especially a doctrine that was added later on and caused not only controversy but was enforced by the Roman Beast with the sword.

1 John 5Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.So is this good enough or do we have to add that we must ALSO believe that Jesus Christ is God.The answer is no. There is nothing in scripture that says we must ALSO believe that Jesus Christ is God.In fact the opposite…[Read more]

Amen.Keep praying everyone.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Dec. 12 2006,03:26)blah, blah, blah…..OK, but how about a reply to the questions instead of a bunch of blah.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Dec. 12 2006,03:26)Some more meaningless questionsIn other words, do not challenge me I cannot make a defense. So shuddup a ya face or I will get kinda mad and start using words like ontological again.

As far as I know, I have looked at all or most of the scriptures that Trinitarians use in support of their time developed doctrine.See https://www.heavennet.net/writings/trinity-05.htmIf I have missed some out, then perhaps they can be added to that writing in order to provide an even stronger case.I haven't seen 1 Trinitarian take the scriptures…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Dec. 12 2006,03:07)So we have one “mighty” and one “almighty” God? Isn't that two Gods? I thought there was only one…..Correct. There is only one God, (the Father).John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.1 Corinthians 8:5-6 5 For even if there are…[Read more]

Good questions seekingtruth.I suppose that if we believe with our whole spirit, soul, being, that we would be doers of the word. But belief in the mind only doesn't necessarily mean that one will act upon that knowledge because such beliefs may not be in our heart.In the end what a man says and does is what is in his heart, not necessarily what is…[Read more]

I don't expect that you guys will get an answer. I have been posting here since 2001 and they just avoid these kinds of questions and give you “my lord and my god” and other stuff (usually the same 5 scriptures) that they think sways their way. I cannot remember in one instance where they even attempted to answer some of the clear scriptures…[Read more]

I can only say for certain what scripture says:God is the Father of JesusGod gave Jesus life and Jesus can impart that lifeJesus is a divine being, but not the Divine being. In other words he has divine nature but emptied himself for a timeJesus was the Word/LogosThe logos is an attribute of God but God expressed his logos so that the Logos was…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 11 2006,21:40)I believe in Creator and created there is nothing else is there?Yes.There is God who is.There is creation, i.e., that which is made by God through Christ.There is that which is begotten of God and not made through Christ.There is only one begotten of the Father who is full of grace and truth. He is the…[Read more]

To WorshippingJesus.If you believe the following, then why do oppose it?It is written that God created all things through Christ.It is written that the head of the woman is man, the head of the man is Christ, and head of Christ is God. i.e., God > Christ > ManIt is written that there is one mediator between God and Man.It is written that Christ is…[Read more]

We can still fall away after we believe as you say.Even Peter who said that Jesus was the Christ, denied him later. Thankfully Peter repented and was a shining light for us.

Yes to believe that which the Father has revealed is to be open to God. To be open to doing his will means that we can be the sons of God.Belief is the first step. If someone doesn't believe then they cannot embrace anything that God wants to give them.That is why unbelievers have their part in the second death. Because they do not believe, they…[Read more]

To WorshippingJesus.OK so you say it is hogwash to say that Jesus had a beginning, then I can only assume that you agree with my post as I never mentioned a beginning.If you agree with it, then why don't you teach these truths instead of opposing them?

So you admit that your template is Greek thinking.Created and non-created.No wonder you force Jesus as God.Paul knowing the pride of the Greeks and their philosophy preached Jesus crucified, an offence to them.So it is that I say unto you, Jesus Christ of Nazareth died for your sins and was raised up to the right hand of God. He now interceeds for…[Read more]