Quote (david @ April 02 2007,15:25)One thing that bothers me so much is that when having a discussion, you ask some questions, they go unanswered, other people raise a completely different issue and the orgininal questions go unasnwered forever. With only two people, it would be much harder to hide behind straw men arguments and other ways to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2007,01:32)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 29 2007,06:23)I haven't seen a reasonable argument for the Trinity.When the facts are known, that argument doesn't stack up.I use to believe that doctrine but after a time I knew deep down in my heart something wasn't right with it. From that time God has shown me scripture after…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 03 2007,04:24)Quote I cannot guarantee that I will post exactly within a 3 day period. It could be a bit more or could even be less, even a matter of hours.Then you should not have agreed to the stipulation. Is your word your bond? or not?To be honest with you, I didn't understand it that way. I didn't think that it was…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 03 2007,04:18)The debate became dead in the water when you couldn't abide by the simple and immently fair rules. Rules that we both agreed to before it started. If you break the conditions of a debate, t8, it's an automatic forfeit, that's the way these things work.Looking forward to reading your post. When do you think you…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 03 2007,04:11)Quote We live in the grace of God, but from both of you all I see is Law and judgement. I feel sorry for both of you, for the Spirit doesn't fit into your timetables, rather he is the one that leads and we should be the ones fitting in.T8,Yeshua said this:“And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 03 2007,03:52)T8,In the vitriolic PM you sent me you said you have basically finished the rebuttal and only needed to put the finishing touches on it before you could submit it. Unfortunately, the debate is dead in the water, but I for one would be interested to see the post that you have written and in particular the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2007,00:44)Is 1:18 is willing to give you extra timeTo WorshippingJesus.Isaiah gave me no extra time. I wasn't aware that he posted and when he PMed me, he gave me exactly 3 days from then. You go on as if he was graceful with me. But there is no grace is there?How can the Spirit of grace be with you or Isaiah?…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2007,00:44)Quote (t8 @ April 01 2007,22:58)Also, future debates should post the rules in the first post, so others are not confused as to what they can and can't do. If the rules stipulate that only 2 members can participate, then I am not against that per se, even though it will take more effort to police due to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2007,00:44)You agreed to a three day time period.Honestly WorshippingJesus this may be a sin to you and Isaiah, but as I said to Isaiah God doesn't work to man-made timetables and the 3 days should be a guide, not the law. When you book a plane, you don't always leave on time given many variables and life is just…[Read more]

Also, future debates should post the rules in the first post, so others are not confused as to what they can and can't do. If the rules stipulate that only 2 members can participate, then I am not against that per se, even though it will take more effort to police due to the nature of openness in posting.I also agree with david regarding questions…[Read more]

Before the discussion proceeded I said that I would post, Isaiah would reply, then it was free for all. This is exactly what has happened. So no surprises here. But in fact it was Isaiah who was against the same 2 members rebutting rebuttals for time purposes. So I agreed that other members could have their say as a way to get feedback on the 2…[Read more]

Isaiah 1:18, I may reply to some of your other points, but so far your answer to nullify John 17:3 is very weak indeed. In fact I am surprised by how weak.This is not a dig at your intelligence or lack of intelligence, I truly understand why it is a weak response, because it is hard to argue against the truth or any truth (ask someone who has lied…[Read more]

Isaiah, I posted 3 earlier posts rebutting your rebuttal. They are the last posts on the previous page.Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 22 2007,05:58)In verse 10 we truly have an absurd proclamation if Yeshua is not the true God. He said “and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine”. Would this not be the very epitome of redundancy if thi…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 22 2007,05:58)BTW, the semantic argument in which you attempted to delineate “nature” and “identity” is really just smoke and mirrors IMO. These are not in mutually exclusive categories, one cannot meaningfully co-exist without the other in the context of ontology (the nature of ‘beings’). All humans have human nature – an…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 22 2007,05:58)Isaiah 46:9Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.So herein lies a quandry….was YHWH telling the truth when He stated “I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me”? I say yes. He is in a metaphysical category…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 22 2007,05:58)Nice opening post t8. You have raised some interesting points. Thank you, by the way, for agreeing to debate me, I appreciate the opportunity and hope that it can be as amicable as is possible and conducted in good faith. With that in mind let me start by complimenting you. One of the things I do respect about…[Read more]

Quote (doug02346 @ Mar. 29 2007,08:25)I see there's more than one translation of the Book of Enoch. I understand that the earliest was by Laurance in the mid 1800s. Heaven.net uses a translation by R H Charles Oxford. Why did Heaven.net use that particular translation? Is the translation more accurate? Thanks.R H Charles Oxford edition was…[Read more]

Great.Most are in agreement to the changes.

If God (the Most High) died, then there would most likely be nothing. For all came from him and is sustained by him.We had better hope that God cannot die. If he can then it means that those with eternal life can die later too.A doctrine that says that God died, is simply outrageous as well as ridiculous.

Sure.The rules for this particular discussion was that I posted and Isaiah replied and then it was free for all.Although these rules are not stipulated at the beginning of this particular discussion, in future they should/will be.