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Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 5 months ago
Quote (Tim2 @ April 14 2007,01:35)t8,A few responses and then a big point:1. If Jesus is equal to God (meaning God the Father), but He's not the same God, then you have polytheism. This isn't possible. 2. “The glory I had with you.” That's one glory. They both had it. How is that not sharing?3. Salvation belongs to God and to the Lamb. If…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 6 months ago
To prove that the Trinity Doctrine is the invention of man and not from scripture, I give 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 as a proof text.24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Tim2 @ April 13 2007,11:22)t8,So you do accept all of my points? This means you believe Jesus is God? I'm about to start singing praises:) With regard to your points, I would start by capitalizing all references to Jesus. He is God, so He should be called He. I'd also make these changes:4. He is the Word of God. (If He's called the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 6 months ago
Yes I am happy to add those too.Except the second point (I don't know anything about that yet) and your John 1:1 interpretation. I believe that Jesus is divine not 'the' Divine. It is talking about the Logos in a qualitive sense and not his identity.John 1:1 shows that there are two beings (not three): God and a second who was 'theos' but this…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Catholicism in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 6 months ago
Hi Nick .Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2007,10:00)Hi, Is 1.18 contends that the catholic church has only existed from the great schism of 1000 years ago. Wikipedia says this.c. 110: Ignatius of Antioch uses the term Catholic Church in a letter to the Church at Smyrna, one of the letters of undisputed authenticity attributed to him. In this and…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Catholicism in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (david @ April 07 2007,04:43)A question I don't think I got an answer to.Similarly, speaking of Catholics, The Belgian newspaper “La Dernière Heure” relates that during the war Roman Catholic Cardinal Amette of Paris said this to the French soldiers:“My brothers, comrades of the French army and of their glorious allies, the Almighty God is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Truth has nothing to fear from the evidence. in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 19 years, 6 months ago
That is true kenrch.

Proclaimer replied to the topic “I Am” Exodus 3:14/John 8:57,58 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Tim2 @ April 08 2007,02:00)Hi t8,Do you do whatever the Father and the Son do?Do you raise the dead, as the Father and the son do?Are all mean to honor you, even as they honor the Father and the Son?Do you make yourself equal to God?Jesus said the Father was greater than He while He was human, mortal, and about to be beaten and crucified…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Fully God, Fully Man in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2007,02:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2007,17:55)Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,15:01)To Tim2.Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,04:32)Hi Nick,All the persons of the trinity mutually indwell each other.TimProve it. Show me a scripture that says this.t8How many Spirits are there?God is Spirit! Is there another Spirit that…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Fully God, Fully Man in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 12 2007,12:47)Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,16:59)To WorhsippingJesus.Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,10:55)Hi t8,John 10:38 shows that the Father and the Son mutually indwell each other. It doesn't explicitly say this for the Spirit, so go ahead and celebrate, but it's a reasonable inference that Christians have made for…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 6 months ago
I will be brief as we know that there are not enough books in the world to describe Yeshua.He is the son of God.He is the Messiah of God.He is the way, the truth, the life.He is called the Word of God.He is the image of the invisible God.He is the firstborn over all creation.He is the head of the Body, the Church.He became a man and walked amongst…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 6 months ago
Hi Tim2.Not sure what you mean by statement of faith. I do not have a creed prewritten if that is what you mean. I am also not interested in promoting myself, but the truths that God put in my heart.So it doesn't really matter if I am a donkey, God put something inside me that I need to speak.I am fighting for the truth that Jesus Christ is the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 6 months ago
OK, back on topic then.”Jesus was sent by the ONLY TRUE GOD.”You either believe that he was sent by the true God, or he is the true God. You can't have it both ways.Trinitarians are very good at saying one thing and believing another. E.g., There is one God, he just happens to triune.He was a man, and did I mention that on the side he was also God…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 6 months ago
To CultB.In other words you do not believe that God created all things through him and for him as it is written.But scripture is clear about this, instead you choose to believe a highly debatable and confusing rendering of Heb 1:10 & Psa 102:25 because of your Trinity bias in the place of:John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 6 months ago
To CultB.In other words you do not believe that God created all things through him and for him as it is written.But scripture is clear about this, instead you choose to believe a highly debatable and confusing rendering of Heb 1:10 & Psa 102:25 because of your Trinity bias in the place of:John 1:10He was in the world, and though the world was…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,12:39)How were Nick's son's “with” him before they were born?With him after, surely.So if the Word was WITH God, then he needed to come from God first in order to be WITH him.My son is with me now. He was born first and then he was with me. I watched him open his eyes for the first time.

Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,12:32)The one thing you do have in common is that you all share the same human nature. That is the only thing that is really the same.******************I think you are over-simplifying this a bit. Nature is not the only thing that Nick's boys have in common with him. There is a theory of “Nature versus Nurture” and…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,12:25)t8, it's interesting to look at the above scriptures and see that Jesus did not become the WORD “OF” GOD until he was begotten. He was simply “THE WORD” when he was with God.Good point Not3in1, but it is hard to picture the Word WITH God. You seem to teach that the Word was IN God. But it says WITH.Of course…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,12:23)Nick, you don't give yourself enough credit! Your boys share your DNA!Nick's DNA or Nicks dads DNA?

Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 19 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2007,12:15)Hi not3, I have three wonderful sons and none of them is a part of me. They are not clones of me or of each other and you would soon realise they look quite different and have very individual ideas, attitudes and personalities.True Nick.The one thing you do have in common is that you all share the same…[Read more]
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