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    I can appreciate the arguments of Unitarians as to why the Trinity is a false doctrine. But then they also say that Christ is only a man who started his life from the womb of Mary.If it were true that God MADE a second Adam because of Adam's failure, then would Jesus have existed if Adam had been faithful?I cannot accept that Jesus is nothing more…[Read more]

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    Jesus Christ is a mystery that is being revealed. Scripture says that he was from ancient times and that nothing that was made was made without him.Even if we don't fully understand, all we can do is believe what scripture says.He has also returned to the glory that he had before.

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    Hi Gene.There are 2 (that I know of) words for 'word' in scripture.Rhema and Logos.Jesus is the Logos according to John 1:1 and Revelation 19:13.Yes Jesus came in the flesh and the Logos became flesh.I see these 2 verses as complimentary. I don't think that the actual word turned into flesh, but that he came in the flesh.

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 13 2007,09:15)You engage in inference again.The Trinity doctrine isn't inference is it?3 persons are a HIM, that isn't inference is it?All 3 members are co-equal isn't inference is it?Jesus is/was a dual natured being isn't inference either, is it?No of course not. :D :p

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    Quote (Cult Buster @ June 12 2007,02:23)Since the one true God exists as a Godhead this means that the three Persons can be addressed as the only true God both individually and collectively. Putting it another way:. The Godhead is the only true God.· Each specific member of the Godhead is the only true God.· Therefore, the members of the Godhead a…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2007,18:49)You just admitted that the Spirit is the (what/substance) of God.Therefore you just admitted the Spirit and Jesus is God!For since the “Spirit is what God is”, then the following scriptures confirm that Jesus is God!Look…Heb 1:3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and *the exact representation of…[Read more]

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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 11 2007,13:39)Quote (t8 @ June 10 2007,15:55)You use the Old Testament to say that the New Testament is incorrect in this matter.No t8, as opposed to you I ascribe equal weighting to both the NT and OT proof texts, and I don't allow a presupposition to override overt biblical realities. Maybe you should try these…[Read more]

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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 11 2007,13:39)No t8, as opposed to you I ascribe equal weighting to both the NT and OT proof texts, and I don't allow a presupposition to override overt biblical realities. Maybe you should try these things.OK. Where do I start?Shall I start with accepting a creed/doctrine that was formalized hundreds of years after the last…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick.Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2007,17:28)So on this point let me state that I concur with t8, no one has ever seen the Father, this appears to be the only logical conclusion to draw from John’s writings above. But it’s even more scripturally obvious that men have seen YHWH.Unfortunately for him, he said that the invisible God was the Fat…[Read more]

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    Isaiah.Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 06 2007,15:33)Is YHWH so impotent that He can't appear in a form that men can see?“Is anything too difficult for the LORD?” (Gen 18:14)Nothing is too difficult for him. The difficulty lies with men.E.g., can God make man God? If not, then is God not all powerful? To say that nothing is too difficult for him is tru…[Read more]

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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 06 2007,14:35)T8,Where in the Bible do we read about what Timothy believed here? He didn't actually write anything in the NT, remember??I was referring to what Paul wrote to Timothy. But I guess it is possible that Timothy didn't believe what Paul wrote, but I doubt that.If Paul discipled Timothy I would think that he agreed…[Read more]

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    So to conclude Isaiah's argument.The New Testament says: # No one has ever seen God# No one has seen God at anytime# No one can ever see GodIsaiah says:# No one has ever seen God, except for the ones who have# No one has seen God at anytime, except for the times that they have seen him# No one can ever see God except for the times that they canIn…[Read more]

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    Quote (Cult Buster @ June 09 2007,17:34)I dispute t8’s assertion that YHWH has never been seen. YHWH has indeed been seenIt's not my assertion.It is what Paul, John, and our Lord Jesus taught us.Paul – 1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.John – John 1:18 No man hath s…[Read more]

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    Thanks Mandy.I find for myself that I need to take regular breaks and come back refreshed. That way I feel I can give my best and not let my emotions rule too much. That said I love it here too, but it can eat up a lot of time and life itself demands our time.There are not many places that I know of at least that really questions all things…[Read more]

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    Quote (Tim2 @ April 08 2007,04:28)Hi Nick,God is one, and He exists in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I've already shown you that each of them is God, and that they are one God. God created man in the image of God. In the image of He created him. Male and female He created them. The man and the woman become one…[Read more]

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    Quote (kenrch @ June 07 2007,05:31)NOW if Sunday were a regular weekly worship day then WHY would Paul tell them NOT TO GATHER!Kenrch.Is there a such thing as an official worship day?Should we not be free to worship God where ever and when ever?In God's Kingdom will we be able to stop worhipping him?Everday is a good day to worship God.Can you…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ June 09 2007,10:33)Yes, the man of lawlessness or the “son of perdition” is certainly an antichrist, because he is against Christ.But I consider this man of lawlessness to be a class of people.1 John 2:18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come.…[Read more]

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    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 09 2007,09:10)Sorry, Tim2. Just a little tit-for-tat coming at 'cha.OK, I'll let it go now. Ha!Lets face it does Tim2 believe that Jesus came in the flesh, or does he believe that God came in the flesh?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 19 years, 5 months ago

    To Not3in1.Quote (Not3in1 @ June 09 2007,14:25)STUDENT! :) If you are still around……. I have something I would like to share with you. It's a quote from the Rev. Jared Sparks, who was a Victorian era Unitarian (that sounds funny, huh?). “Those persons who have bound themselves to a written system of faith, in the shape of a creed or…[Read more]

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    I agree that JWs need to be exposed for the culture that they are, but I just wonder about some of those who like to point the finger at them too. I think that the errors there are no worse than what you find with those who believe that salvation is exclusive to Trinitarians.It seems to me that often we see one cell in the prison block saying that…[Read more]

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