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Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (david @ July 17 2007,21:45)The NWT is a corrupted version of the scriptures from hell!!”OK, I may not agree with all that the NWT says, but then again fault can be found in any translation. I think changing YHWH for LORD is not good either.So perhaps WJ should be fair and say that most translations are from the pit of hell. Why condemn 1…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 17 2007,19:06)How do you explain this t8?His view seems to align with Jesus and John and Paul and Thomas and Mattew and the Trinitarians.But it sure dosnt line up with yours!So goes the the fallacious claim that the Trinity was invented by Athanasius!Hey WJ. It is good to see that you read Ignatius writings whom you…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 17 2007,19:06)T8I wasn’t trying to dodge a thing.Besides, its funny how you mention dodging things, when you had never answered my questions about the Spirit way back even after you said you would!The reason I posted about the Spirit was because most of the post was already written and I didn’t have time to start on…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Hey good post kejonn.

Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 17 2007,22:06)Quote (t8 @ July 17 2007,21:46)Fair enough Isaiah. But it is pure speculation and should be held as an opinion only. I invite you to teach on the rooftops that which is written, but making absolute assumptions about Christ before the beginning isn't wise in my opinion. How can any man know if it isn't…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 17 2007,22:00)Quote (t8 @ July 17 2007,21:49)Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 17 2007,20:34)Quote (t8 @ July 17 2007,16:24)I put this to t8 and he couldn't offer an explanation. It's a true conundrum for those who deny Jesus is YHWH. One of many….But you're quite right t8, you did offer an explanation. I just didnlt think it was a…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 17 2007,21:55)There is also a predicate linked with “Ego eimi” in this verse. It is not reasonable to draw a parallel between this verse and John 8:58 (which lacks a predicate).So t8 you are quite correct when he state “Obviously, the mere use of “ego eimi” does not equate one to the “I Am” of Exodus 3:14.”. But that's…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 17 2007,20:34)Quote (t8 @ July 17 2007,16:24)I put this to t8 and he couldn't offer an explanation. It's a true conundrum for those who deny Jesus is YHWH. One of many….But you're quite right t8, you did offer an explanation. I just didnlt think it was a good one. I should have written:”I put this to t8 and he couldn't…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Fair enough Isaiah. But it is pure speculation and should be held as an opinion only. I invite you to teach on the rooftops that which is written, but making absolute assumptions about Christ before the beginning isn't wise in my opinion. How can any man know if it isn't revealed?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 26 2007,21:12)Quote Hebrews 1:10And,”YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;So there are two possible scenarios here:1) The Father was addressing the Son in a way that denoted His subservience, or inferiority in rank, to Yeshua. Or,2) He was addressing the Son…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
He claims to be a Cult Buster but promotes the doctrine of the Trinity which is the mother of all cults.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2007,08:04)Ignatius again, is a desciple of John and his writings are not disputed. He was a contemperary of Paul and the other Apostles. So I agree that his writtings didnt become cannonical, but they are significant just as other historical facts are.Hang on WorshippingJesus.Look at what you wrote and then look…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
We need to also remember that “I AM” in the Old Testament is a different set of words from a different language to the New Testament language. It would be like saying that “I am” in English is equating one with God because it is the words used by God in Hebrew. Also many say “I am” in the New Testament just as they say those words today without…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
“I am” is a translation from Greek words “ego eimi”. Is the mere utterance of “ego eimi” a blasphemy? Does the use of “ego eimi” automatically identify the speaker as Yahweh, the I AM? In Luke 1:19, the angel Gabriel said, “Ego eimi Gabriel.” In John 9:9, the blind man whose sight was restored by Jesus said, “Ego eimi.” In Acts 10:21, Peter said,…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,11:28)If the Holy Spirit was only the Fathers Spirit, then explain the following:The Bible speaks of Him as: 1. The Spirit Himself (Romans 8:16; 8:26) 2. The Spirit of God (Romans 8:9; 8:14) 3. The Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9) Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,11:19)Hi t8.So you and Nick are JW offshoots
Thanks.This is a silly comment CultB.You judge yourself with that same measure.That makes you a Catholic by your own judgement.Did it not cross you mind that you could pick out any cult and find that they believe as you do on some things.I would have thought that this…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,10:16)t8. Jesus is certainly divine because He is God. We can all be partakes of divine nature, but that does not make us divine like Jesus our God.Hi CultB.Back to the drawing board?That is it right there. We shouldn't be drawing anything with our own hands. A triangle as representing the makeup of God is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
God is spirit.There is one God the Father.So is the Father the Spirit?We know there is one Spirit and that the Father is God and God is Spirit. There are not 2 Spirits, although there are many spirits.God has a spirit or is spirit. We have a spirit and we will one day have a spiritual body too. So is our identity the spirit in us or the spirit…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,10:54)Hi Nick.Were you and t8 Jehovah's Witnesses before?I could also say, were you are a Catholic?After all you follow their faith. i.e., 3 persons in one God…Yet we do not hold to JW doctrine that Jesus is Michael. We don't hold to 1916 or whatever that date is that Christ supposedly returned and I don't…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Hi Cult Buster.I believed in the Trinity before because I was young and impressionable. I was never a JW and hopefully never will be. It would be a great step backwards for me to join a denomination of any kind.Also the Holy Spirit is what God is and that helps us understand how God can be in all.The Father is who God is. Scripture testifies to…[Read more]
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