Assumption then.A person who wishes that certain scriptures were not mentioned is not being true. He is trying to avoid something because it is conflict with his belief. Rather we shouldn't be afraid of any scripture. Instead they should sharpen us and we should love to embrace them.I wonder however if you are happy about these scriptures?1…[Read more]

Quote (Please Forgive Me @ Nov. 08 2007,22:48)THANKS ALOT! I'm feeling better about myself every minute. You guys helped alot. It's not going to be easy but im up for the change in my life, it will pay off the most at the end. Please pray for me.peace and loveWill do.And remember, that what you are going through is quite normal. The flesh and the…[Read more]

Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 09 2007,04:47)This is question is for t8, t8, Who took the place of Judas as one of the apostles? Anybody?a) Joseph b) Matthias c) Justus d) PaulI'll go for Justus.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 09 2007,05:00)This is unambiguous. Many wish that John 1:1 and 20:28 were just not there, in fact many wish that Johns writtings were not in the Cannon period.Give me 10 names then.

Hey Please Forgive Me, you say that you give your life to God for 5 minutes and then you stuff it up and do something contrary to giving your life to God.Let me put it this way Please Forgive Me.When you give your life to serve God, you do it for the rest of your life. The fact that you stumble here and there, doesn't mean that you have to give up…[Read more]

Hey I know that I wouldn't be that good at it, I may need 50 points to start with.

Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 08 2007,13:38)Let me ask you, do you believe in what Joseph Smith and Mohammed wrote, or what was wrote about them? If not, why?Where is it written in the Old Testament that there would be no more books, prophecies, or words inspired by God?Sure if God works through men, then there would be some sort of progression. You would…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,16:55)Yes but we are not talking about God and his wife are we?You say that Eve is not the man in identity, of course Eve is not Adam! Eve is not man either she is woman. But she is human.But lets talk about Adam and his Son. Abel is not Adam but Abel is man.Is he not? Therefore all that Adam is in Nature,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,11:33)

There is your answer. So you cant say that Revelation 1:1 is prrof that Yeshua is not God!Because as you say it could be either one right?But then if you take your view you have to deny the other scriptures that cant be taken in a qualitative sense.

WJ.God is identified with the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,11:33)There is your answer. So you cant say that Revelation 1:1 is prrof that Yeshua is not God!Because as you say it could be either one right?But then if you take your view you have to deny the other scriptures that cant be taken in a qualitative sense.WJ.God is identified with the article.Without the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,16:45)Can you admit that Jesus is the God of the bible? After all he said the scriptures were written about him, did he not?Are you to proud to admit that?OK, so I take it that you are too proud to admit that God and Jesus are 2 beings/identities in the bible and in Revelation 1:1 in particular.Now to your…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,16:45)t8How about God and God!John out of the same breath uses the same word “Theos” for the Father and the Son. He didnt have to do that did he?So do we accept that there is God and Jesus in the bible?OK. Now theos and theos.Don't tell me you are turning into polytheist? I thought you denied theos and…[Read more]

Making it 4 denies me a grand finale, but make it 4 if you want. I can understand that you wish to finish this and it would go on into 2008 if we continued with 6 posts. Also, I will have that time for my family and I am certainly happy for that reason.I have made all my posts in that case.I await your grand finale and I will reply to that.Thanks.

And to Trinitarians.God and Jesus.Can you admit that the God of the bible is not Jesus?Hundreds of verses speak of God and Jesus.The God of the bible is not Jesus.Even Revelation 1:1 shows as much.Can you admit it?Or are you to proud to admit it?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:35)t8, we're discussing nature and identity as it pertains to beings, not individual persons. We've already established that Yeshua has a different personal identity to the Father.Isaiah. There are hundreds of verses that talk of God and Jesus as different identities. Just accept it. But if you reject it, then you…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:23)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:19)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:11)I have a question for you. Are 'identity' and 'nature' mutually inclusive or exclusive? Can I have an answer with you rationale please.I will let you answer your own question.The Devil is the Father (of lies and murder).Nevertheless he is a…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:20)Quote OK.Lets see if this is true.God (the Father) > Jesus > angel > John.That is what I say. So where is the error?What do you say it is then?Trinity > Jesus > angel > John or what?You're assuming that the Revelation message was transmitted down an ontological gradient from the highest being in existence (God)…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,11:17)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:11)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,11:05)And you try to change the meaning of John 1:1OK.Lets see if this is true.God (the Father) > Jesus > angel > John.That is what I say. So where is the error?What do you say it is then?Trinity > Jesus > angel > John or what?I can…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:11)I have a question for you. Are 'identity' and 'nature' mutually inclusive or exclusive? Can I have an answer with you rationale please.I will let you answer your own question.The Devil is the Father (of lies and murder).Nevertheless he is a father. This being called the Devil is identified as Satan.Now there are…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:04)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 04 2007,10:58)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 04 2007,10:06)The same counter-argument can be tendered in response to this proof text. The fact is there is no explicit or implicit grammatical evidence of a contrast being drawn between the Father’s or Son's respective “beings” in the Revelation 1:1 text.…[Read more]