Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 17 2008,11:13)This argument is common argument used by henotheists…This is simply observation from reading scripture.It is there for everyone to see.2 Peter 1:4 is in scripture and theos and elohim usage in the bible is not exclusive to YHWH.That is the plain facts. No need for a predefined doctrine here, it speaks for…[Read more]

2 Peter 1:4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.So God shares his nature, yet not all who partake will be known as YHWH, correct?There is one most high God/Theos/Elohim.Scripture calls some…[Read more]

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Quote (theodorej @ May 05 2008,02:38)Quote (t8 @ May 04 2008,21:59)Quote (theodorej @ May 04 2008,00:57)Quote (t8 @ May 04 2008,00:27)April 17  is gone and the 7th seal is opened?If not, then is Ron a false prophet?Or does he still have some days left before he is found to be false?In New Zealand it is the 4th of May from the date of this…[Read more]

How many people start with a doctrine and then see if it fits with the bible?How many are taught a doctrine before reading the bible?How many read the bible before being indoctrinated and then come up with the Trinity or Oneness doctrines?If you found Christ while in solitary confinement for 5 years and you had never read the bible and the only…[Read more]

Quote (Tonycb @ May 12 2008,02:11)God was manifested in flesh. One God, not three or three person in the Godhead.Does not God manifest himself in his people. Is not his creation a manifestation and glory of him?We can see him through the things that have been made.We can see him in his son, who is the greatest revelation and glory of God. He is…[Read more]

Isn't just a bit strange that the same Trinity gospel that is preached today is alien to the first century gospel?If you took that doctrine back to the first century, they wouldn't know what you were talking about, if you came preaching the Trinity.

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Oh, it is already near the top of the list in this (Truth and Tradition) forum.

Oneness doctrine is the wrong response to the Trinity doctrine.Scripture should be the response.How does Oneness doctrine compare to 1 John 4:2 for example?This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,By saying that the Father came in the flesh could only lead…[Read more]

Jesus is not God because he is the son of God.Likewise I am not my father, but the son of my father.Jesus being the son of God seems to be truth that suffers the most opposition.Trinitarians deny it in principle and Moslems deny it in both word and principle.Atheists deny God and therefore by reason of that deny the son.But to deny the son is to…[Read more]

Quote (gsilva72 @ May 09 2008,13:42)If you were talking to me, ok, your right. 2 Peter 1:20 says, ” Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,…[Read more]

gsilva72.God is invisible and Jesus is the image of that invisible God.Likewise Adam is/was a person and Eve was his image and is/was a person. But they are 2 different beings. They are 2 different identities.God can only be seen by representations or images of him. Even the universe declares his glory and the greatest glory of God is his son.…[Read more]

Ha ha. The origin of species, written by a super evolved daffodil. And you talk about blinkers?It actually isn't hard to see that there is a gene pool (code) and it is compiled in different combinations. That we can see. But the bit about simple DNA becoming more complex without the aid of a programmer or overseer is the imagined part.It really is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 08 2008,17:11)T8…..Also i meant to say there was only one tree that produced the fruit of Good and evil that fruit comes from the same tree can from one tree. And the understanding of good and evil is what gives wisdom. It's a rough road but the end is understanding what good is and what evil is they explain each…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 08 2008,17:04)T8…… Don't you think God know all along man was going to do what He did, why does it say Jesus was crucified from the foundations of the earth, wasn't it because God already know what was going to happen, why did He even gives Us weakened condition in the first place if it wasn't His will we fall. If…[Read more]

As a believer we are to believe that he came from God and is his son. Hence the son of God. This is a foundational truth. But it seems that the foundation is under attack. The good news is not even the gates of hell will prevail.Matthew 16:1615 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the…[Read more]

Nowhere in the scriptures does it command us not to believe in Allah or Darwin.That is not how you establish a truth, especially the foundation of the way.Good to see you to WJ.

Hi TimothyVI.I will say that such evidence spoken of earlier in this discussion is that there is a God, not necessarily who that God is.To ask about the evidence regarding who God is, I think that prophecy is one of the the strongest witnesses out there. Scripture told us that Israel would become a nation again and speak their native language.…[Read more]

Are you acknowledging that all man's knowledge is a blinder because they vainly draw conclusions from a position of great lack, or are you saying that you are the only one with blinkers off?Wasn't sure.I vote for the first option anyway.