Colossians 1:17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.John 1:3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.John 8:58“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”Revelation 22:16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the…[Read more]

What am I saying?I am quoting scripture and letting the reader understand it for themselves.

Quote (Tonycb @ May 24 2008,07:57)Slick sales people try to do this all the time. They try to convince you that what they are selling you is the best buy for your money, it's the genuine article, it's the best there is, and they have the best deal for you. You've been fooled this way before. We've all been taken by the con artist, the liar and the…[Read more]

I agree that it is deception.I also think that a lot of innocent people are caught up in the doctrine, and the teachers will be accountable for what they have taught.I think of myself. I was brought up to believe in the Trinity, when I fist became a believer. But after a while, something in me just knew that something about that doctrine wasn't…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 27 2008,15:12)T8 and Nick…….I heard someone say that the book of revelation is purely symbolic. Where it says  in chapter 1:1 , He sent and  (signified) it. Means he sent and (SYMBOLIZED) it. In other words the book can only be understood from a symbolic form, I kind of think He may be right, that is also Sir Issac N…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2008,14:45)Hi t8, Good point. But it could be for 1000 years or more could it not?The false prophet and the beast were still there when the devil joined them 1000 years later.I agree. From what I understand, the new heavens and earth is after the 1000 years.

Quote (gollamudi @ May 27 2008,01:56)Hi Gene,Amen brother. And there is One Lord who is above all, that is Jesus the Christ (Messiah).Hi brother Gene can you explain the verse Heb 1:10 often quoted by the trinitarian to prove Jesus as creator?Peace to you allAdamGod created all things through him and for him.The Word was with God in the beginning.

WJ.You teach that we should worship 3 persons as God.I teach that we should worship one God the Father.So you teach that there are three and I teach that there is one (God who is the Father).And then you call me a Polytheist.Can you see the irony. What are you going to do about the log?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 26 2008,08:22)T8……the word eternal is not what aion means it means age. There is no word for eternal in Greek as i understand.Peace to you and yours …………………geneAgreed.The eternal torment doctrine contradicts scripture.Words like perish and destruction are associated with the wicked.Eternal life in a…[Read more]

Fair enough, although they are probably quite practical. They look like they could be washed without the need for a washing machine.

Eternal torment requires that one have eternal life.But the wicked will perish. The wicked will be destroyed.John 3:16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Quote (gollamudi @ May 25 2008,12:42)Quote (t8 @ May 25 2008,00:13)Jesus is not God because scripture tells us that Jesus is the son of God. This is not a passing comment in scripture but a foundational truth of the Church that needs to be brought out into the light in these days.Scripture says that God is invisible and Jesus is the image of this…[Read more]

Matthew 22:30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 22 2008,08:23)Where is the scripture that ascribes Divinity to these so-called gods you speak of?Putting words in my mouth again?Theos/elohim are used of others besides the Most High God.We can also partake of divine nature.I believe both. You are free to not believe.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 22 2008,08:23)1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities2) the Godhead, trinitya) God the Father, the first person in the trinityb) Christ, the second person of the trinityc) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity3) spoken of the only and true Goda) refers to the things of Godb) his counsels,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 21 2008,11:59)Quote (t8 @ May 17 2008,18:16)WJ, if you are implying that this scripture is saying that Jesus is YHWH, then you have to exclude the Father from being YHWH.Your logic betrays you t8. Besides you denying the Grandville Sharp rule, apparently you believe the Father is going to return to the earth. So if…[Read more]

An example of polytheism is acceptance of a 3 person God.When we talk to a being we address the identity of the person. We don't often say “hello human”, “hello man”, hello woman”. No we say “hello Bill”, “hello Jill”, “Dear Father”.So praying to a 3 person God should use language like “how are all of you”, “I love you all”, “Dear Father Son and…[Read more]

Quote (gsilva72 @ May 25 2008,07:49)John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. If Jesus isn't God, then I guess he is a skitsofrantic. He said “WE will come unto him”What sort of reasoning is that?These scriptures will…[Read more]

It could be. Heaven is not just a place but a Kingdom.I believe my vision was what John saw in Revelation 22:1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the LambExcept I didn't see a city, but a paradise. That said, it could have been a part of the city as cities have parks.…[Read more]