Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,16:50)t8…..Where do you preexistences put this then, (THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU) quoted over four time in the bible. How does that fit into your scriptural view then. I guess God was Just lying according to you and trinitarians he would have to been lying right. Your whole concept is one of making the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,13:26)So you still haven't given any benefit to man kind by him being a preexistent super being that created the whole world has it. And thats my point why would God do that, something that doesn't really  RELATE TO US. What does that show us then when we are no where able to be like Him then because he is so…[Read more]

I was told of some people that use sand for baptism because they don't have enough water to cover a person. Could be an urban myth, but surely in times of drought when there is no water, there must be occasion where there just isn't a big enough pool of water to be immersed in. And even if there was, it could be someone elses drinking water.

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2008,11:17)Quote (t8 @ June 02 2008,11:02)Quote (942767 @ June 02 2008,07:51)Hi T8:You say:Quote He then returned to the glory that he had with the Father before the world was created.Where is that scripture?John 17:5 (NIV)And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,03:13)T8……you have a big problem, It doesn't say He (existed) past tense . You have changed the text, it says (EXISTING) Present tense, big difference. You are referring a past existence, but text refers a present or at the time of his ministry on earth. Your trying to make the text imply before he was born…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,03:31)gollamudi……….you find no straight answer if they cant really explain it they simple pull out the mystery card. What you said earlier was right they stand with their feet in two different boats and they will only fall between them. It never stops to amaze me how simple it is to understand and how few…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2008,07:51)Hi T8:You say:Quote He then returned to the glory that he had with the Father before the world was created.Where is that scripture?John 17:5 (NIV)And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.John 17:5 (KJV)And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self…[Read more]

gollamudi. Jesus is a mystery that has been revealed in these times.So being a mystery, we do not have whole texts that say in detail what happened before creation. In fact we are purposely not told many things regarding details on the rebellion, details on what creation was like before sin, etc.What we are given is that he existed with divine…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 09 2008,23:59)Your argument is the same one you have used over and over,and you choose to ignore the obvious.If you cannot work that out, then all else is vain Stu.If you start with a false premise, then no matter how meticulous the work that sits on it, it is vanity because a well built wall on a faulty foundation can still fall…[Read more]

Some say that Jesus is a man only and was created as a man and didn't exist before that.Others say that he is almighty God who became a man.But what does scripture say: He existed with divine nature and emptied/humbled himself and took on the nature of a servant and partook of flesh. He then returned to the glory that he had with the Father before…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 01 2008,01:30)Hi seek,When was Jesus first born? if so what form, an angel or some spirit? Was he created? as you have quoted Col 1:15-18 and Rev 3:14, you mean Jesus was pre-existing in some form as I have questioned above.Philippians 2:6 (New International Version)6 Who, being in very nature God,      did not consider eq…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ June 01 2008,00:12)Yes, except that the ‘universes (sic) design’ part is wrong.Of course.If I made a model of the solar system, then it would be incorrect to say that it was designed or that it had design.

If we get wings, I would probably go a bit crazy with flying till the novelty wore off. Or maybe we will just be able to go from A to B at the speed of thought. God knows, but I know that what he has waiting for us is beyond anything we can imagine and that he is good.

Quote (seek and you will find @ June 01 2008,14:56)Bronco How many times did Mr. Weinland change His mind? Reminds me of Mr. Armstrong, He too changed His mind. Peace and Love Mrs.Changing our minds verses renewing our minds.One shows a willingness for God's will and the other is pride in ones' own understanding to the point of believing that they…[Read more]

Quote (ptr775 @ June 01 2008,17:30)Quote (Broncs453 @ June 01 2008,14:26)Also, anybody listen to RW's Sabbath sermon today?  I did.  It appears to me that he is now back-pedalling on dates.  If I heard correctly, he now claims that all this tribulation he has been predicting could happen “any time” between now and the end of the 2 1/2 year pe…[Read more]

Quote (Cato @ May 30 2008,06:16)Could someone explain how demons posing as UFOs distracts people from God's truth?If people for some reason believe in UFOs I don't see how that in any way conflicts with God or morality.  I don't know if they exist or not, but the Universe is vast and it is possible, if they do indeed exist then God created them…[Read more]

It says one baptism. So which is it?Water baptism or baptism of the Spirit or something else?If it is one then it cannot be the other. So which one is being spoken of?Am I understanding this correctly?If I had to choose one of the baptisms to partake of and then meet my maker, I would honestly have to choose being filled with the Spirit of God. Of…[Read more]

Spoken by an ape who believes that all of the universes design came from a singularity with no intelligent design. When it unraveled it created all the laws and subsequent designs on it's own. Anyway I think this may be the first time I agree with you, that is regarding your comment about people being gullible for listening to the prophecies of…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ May 31 2008,20:22)Sons of God AdamI agree. Although Adam was the word for man “God created adam, male and female he created them” and all in adam will die.But I can see your point if you are referring to Adam before the fall.

Just a general question not aimed at anyone.If partaking of flesh (human nature) makes you human, then what does partaking in divine nature make you?