Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,21:00)Quote (t8 @ June 02 2008,20:27)Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,19:10)I don't mind replying. I don't hold that Yeshua was the perpetual Son.Welcome to the Heretical club. I think you might find that the guardians of the Trinity doctrine would hold you as a heretic for saying that the son wasn't perpetually…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,21:00)I have already gone on record as saying my theology is generally orthodox, but has elements of non-orthodoxy. The pre-inncarnation sonship of Yeshua is one aspect of the creeds I don't happan to hold to.HERESY.Read the Apostles Creed.If that doesn't sway you and you wish to remain a heretic, then you are welcome…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,20:50)Explain SOMETHING to me t8, according to Hebrews 1:5 the Father said to the Son these words: “I will be a Father to Him and He will be a Son to Me”. Why would he say that He will be (future tense) a Father to Him IF HE ALREADY WAS A FATHER TO HIM??I am not disagreeing or agreeing, my point is that you are…[Read more]

Hi DK.I tend to agree with you regarding Wisdom.Wisdom is referred to as a woman and therefore wisdom as a characteristic or trait. But then wisdom becomes a man.Proverbs 8:22….3022 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, { Or ; or } { Or ; or } before his deeds of old;23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 02 2008,16:56)when the holy spirit works on you..although I may be present..I can not truly feel and experience what you are experiening….likewise John had no idea what Jesus felt or experienced…all John saw was a dove and he heard a voice…Jesus experienced way more..Hi DK.Actually I am not sure that they saw a…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 02 2008,16:54)Quote (dirtyknections @ June 02 2008,16:51)Hey 3in1…Cool…i'll do that..What about Proverbs 8…wisdom personified..referencing JEsus?Wisdom is refered to as a women.  Unless Jesus had transgender issues in the transporting/incarnation process?You are right that wisdom is referred to as a woman and therefore…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 02 2008,18:21)Why would he want to teach something that his children couldn't comprehend?That is why Christ spoke in parables.We cannot comprehend from our own spirit, but from the Spirit of God we can be revealed that which could not enter our minds from our own spirit.1 Corinthians 2:11For who among men knows the thoughts…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 02 2008,16:43)Isa 1:18 …you made the comment, “faith is only real when its predicated on reality”…True…but the question becomes…”what is the reality of faith?” and “what is the reality of the scriptures”Simply put, the “reality” of the scriptures is clear:The devils time as “ruler of the authority of the air”…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,17:05)Truth is exclusive by it's very nature.Truth has a nature? If I receive truth, then am I Christ?Jesus said “I am the truth”.You see, there really is a difference between identity and nature.

God obviously shares his nature as he does his Spirit.Remember that there is one Spirit, and yet that Spirit is in many and in addition if we recieve the Spirit, then we are not the Spirit that we receive.Similarly God shares his nature, and therefore it is not hard to grasp that we are not YHWH because we receive or partake in YHWH nature.But the…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,19:10)I don't mind replying. I don't hold that Yeshua was the perpetual Son.Welcome to the Heretical club. I think you might find that the guardians of the Trinity doctrine would hold you as a heretic for saying that the son wasn't perpetually begotten/generating.Of course I don't believe in the Trinity doctrine so I…[Read more]

Jesus partook of flesh.He became like us.We can partake in divine nature.Guess who we can be like?Hebrews 2:14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;So Jesus who has divine nature…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,19:30)Two divine beings huh? I thought there was only one. No one is like YHWH t8.Isaiah 46:9Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,So much for Henotheism….Actually probably millions partaking in divine nature.Praise God.

Quote (stosh64 @ June 02 2008,09:16)Anyone seen this video sermon?  Really makes ya think.http://harvestreno.org/messageVideo.asp?id=121&quality=mediumCome Lord Jesus!!!I just watched it.Thanks. It was interesting.

The Father in Jesus and Jesus in the Father and Jesus disciples in each other and in the Father and Son.Unity of the Spirit.Not meant as some doctrine that they are the same being.One in Spirit.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,16:50)Because it fits you ideologies. Which to me is mid-trinitarian, like Adam said a foot in two boats.IMO………geneMid Trinitarian.I believe that the Father is the Most High God, the one true God.How am I a Mid-Trinitarian?I don't believe in 1.5 persons as God and I believe scriptures such as “before…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,16:50)t8…..Where do you preexistences put this then, (THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU) quoted over four time in the bible. How does that fit into your scriptural view then. I guess God was Just lying according to you and trinitarians he would have to been lying right. Your whole concept is one of making the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,13:26)So you still haven't given any benefit to man kind by him being a preexistent super being that created the whole world has it. And thats my point why would God do that, something that doesn't really  RELATE TO US. What does that show us then when we are no where able to be like Him then because he is so…[Read more]

I was told of some people that use sand for baptism because they don't have enough water to cover a person. Could be an urban myth, but surely in times of drought when there is no water, there must be occasion where there just isn't a big enough pool of water to be immersed in. And even if there was, it could be someone elses drinking water.

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2008,11:17)Quote (t8 @ June 02 2008,11:02)Quote (942767 @ June 02 2008,07:51)Hi T8:You say:Quote He then returned to the glory that he had with the Father before the world was created.Where is that scripture?John 17:5 (NIV)And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world…[Read more]