Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:56)If the “Word was God by nature” then how could he be less than God?OK, maybe we are making some progress now.If Adam was adam/man in nature how could he be less than Man?Well there is only one Adam (well actually 2 if you count the second Adam) and there are billions of adams.So Jesus is not God (the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:45)t8You didnt answer the question?We are not talking about the OT. We are talking about the NT.Give me one example where the word “theos” is ascribed to any other being with the definite article besides the arch enemy of God!WJ2 Corinthians 4:4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so…[Read more]

Taken from Wikipedia.After giving as a translation of John 1:1c “and divine (of the category divinity) was the Word,” Haenchen goes on to state: “In this instance, the verb 'was' () simply expresses predication. And the predicate noun must accordingly be more carefully observed: is not the same thing as ('divine' is not the same thing as…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:40)t8But you just quoted this…Quote “In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine.”An American Translation, Edgar Goodspeed and J. M. Powis Smith, The University of Chicago Press, p. 173″The Logos (word) existed in the very beginning, and the Logos was with God, the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:35)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 15 2008,12:31)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:09)And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28It's obvious. Jesus is not an attribute but a person.But this still doesn't make Jesus the Almighty God.Satan is a god and he is a person. He is THE God of…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:27)t8Yes but your conclusion is the Word was divine and not “theos”.You disagree with the translators and basically all the translations.Do you have any Greek or Hebrew skills?I see it the way it is written. THE Word was theos.I don't disagree with translators but Trinitarians. It would be fair to say that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:09)And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28It's obvious. Jesus is not an attribute but a person.But this still doesn't make Jesus the Almighty God.Satan is a god and he is a person. He is THE God of this world.You need to look at more than one thing here.90% of people who are…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:09)They all translate it “The Word was God” or “God was the Word”They could have translated it “the Word was divine” or “the Word was a god” if what you say is true.“In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine.”An American Translation, Edgar Goodspeed and J. M. Powis…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:09)Another common confusion in John 1:1 comes from the fact that in Greek there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ (‘theos’) in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’. The confusion arises from an assumption that if there is no definite article in the Greek, then it must have an indefinite…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,12:09)If this is true, then why did the 100s of scholars translate John 1:1 on Biblegateway.com and Blueletterbible.org as you say?Because they assume that Jesus is God and Jesus is the Word.So if they think there are 2 ways of looking at it, which one will they choose?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2008,02:37)T8…..Your assuming the (Word) as a Noun when in fact it is a descriptor or an attribute of the one GOD.  And your references to the upper and lower cases is also wrong seeing that (ALL) original Greek is written in capital letters.My use of uppercase was only to highlight those words. That was all. It…[Read more]

OK, here is a copy and paste from something I wrote in that debate. It might help to clarify what I said earlier.=========Please read the 2 examples below and guess which one is correct:1)a) In the beginning was the woman,b) and the woman was with the manc) and the woman was the man2)a) In the beginning was the woman,b) and the woman was with the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2008,01:44)WJ,Holy cow!  My brain hurts and may never recover.  You put a lot of time and effort into that post so even though I do not completely agree with you I do appreciate all your thought and time.  I hope that I am not intruding here by addressing your post since you specifically asked for t8's response.  I wou…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2008,23:18)It just wouldn’t be right to not include John 1:1 in my allotment of six proof texts in this debate. It’s a watershed verse, probably the most contentious verse in the entire Bible in trinitarian/antitrinitarian discussions. I thought I had developed a basic understanding of the verse a few years ago…[Read more]

I do not agree gol.I gave you sound reasoning and backed it up with another instance when Jesus said “one of you is devil” (no article). is devilis theosNo article, then not a person, but a quality. You can argue against it all you like, but it is the way Greek works. It is said by some however that the last theos in John 1:1 is lacking the…[Read more]

Amen Samual.

Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 14 2008,22:12)So God was speaking to another person who is the 'word' ?If so you are making two Gods who created heavens and earth as per Jn 1:1 which says “the word was God'. Sorry to counter your thoughts my brotherAdamNot so. I am not saying that 2 Gods existed for all time together, but that before there was a creation,…[Read more]

To gollamudi.Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 11 2008,20:51)I read clearly in Jn 1:1 that “the word was God” nothing less than that. You also seem to say Jesus is not God but only Father is God then where your beliefs fit my brother as you say Jesus is the 'word' that was with God ?But the word theos is missing the article.Some say that the sentence…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 11 2008,20:51)I appreciate your response to my post on Jn 1:1. But I ask you one thing; is Jesus another God besides the one God as you claim Jesus was the 'word' that was with God ?No he is not another God. He is the Word OF God.So he is of God.It was he by whom God made the heavens and earth.”Let us make man in our…[Read more]

Yep. That is a good point.