Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 28 2008,20:36)Amen to that simple and wonderful post my brother Gene. Jesus is none but 'Living word of God' and a messenger or Prophet  of God as foretold by Moses in Deut 18.Mohamed also believed that or most of it and he believed in one God, as did the demons too.But who truly believes that he also existed in the form…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 26 2008,22:11)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2008,21:31)Hey Stu.Have you evolved into a Christian yet?Third off-topic post in two days.  Your hypocrisy is becoming a sick joke.StuartThis thread is about Evolution and the theory suggests that living organisms adapt to their environment. So given the time you exist here, I was wondering if…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 28 2008,20:15)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2008,16:05)T8…point is you do not know in what way he was before Abraham, was it in Gods plan or was it he existed as a being. You honestly do not know its pure conjecture on your part. Don't you think Jesus had enough sense to simply say i was alive and existed before Abraham…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 28 2008,17:20)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2008,15:47)Hi Gene.If “Before Abraham I am” means that 'before Abraham I was planned', then the God who said he was the “I AM that I AM” would be the God of the “I am planned I am planned”.t8,You are assuming that the “I am” in this passage is the SAME “I AM” of the OT which was a proper name…[Read more]

Hmmm.I guess that it is up to the game and who wins. If the curve backs fight off the straight ones, then you might end up with the Planet of the Apes scenario.But of course if we wait long enough, the whole thing will just evolve from a pixel that decided to expand anyway. Perhaps the ultimate answer is that it is up to that pixel and the…[Read more]

Stu what about an ape game where higher evolved species get to wipe out the lesser ones. You could get points or bananas for using weapons fashioned from stone and wood. Special points if you use fire etc.Even if you don't resort to weapons, there would be a steady flow of points or bananas if you compete better in an eco-system to the detriment…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2008,16:31)To make the text say He was born before Abraham existed is Forcing the text T8.Forcing the text?I think your bias is making you see that Gene.When most people read Q: “Are you older than Abraham”?A: “Before Abraham, I am”?They see it for what it is saying. They don't see that it is saying he was planned…[Read more]

God speaks his truth through the Truth. God gives his life through the Life.God makes a way through the Way.God's word comes though the Word.There are attributes and there are names that describe a person. People often trip up on the difference. Usually the definite article in Greek helps us to understand, when someone is being identified as…[Read more]

Given the context of the question “Are you older than Abraham”, Jesus uttered those words.There is no mention of ego being a plan. It was a straight forward question followed by a straight forward answer. The answer also really annoyed the Pharisees. If he was just saying that he was in God's plan, then you could say that all of us are, and that…[Read more]

Thanks.

Hi Gene.If “Before Abraham I am” means that 'before Abraham I was planned', then the God who said he was the “I AM that I AM” would be the God of the “I am planned I am planned”.

Quote (TimothyVI @ Aug. 28 2008,11:48)It does say before Abraham was, and then it does say I am..It does not say before Abraham I was. I am is in the present tense.I would suspect that not even the Hebrews talked like that.If I said “before the rain came, I am”, you would ask, “you are what?”That is an incomplete sentence that I still say leaves…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2008,11:23)T8….I am not denying Jesus existed in the plan and will of God, but to try to makes it mean He was alive as a preexisting being is a presumption on your part, because if Jesus meant that He would simply said I was alive and existed before Abraham as you would have liked it say, but He did not say that…[Read more]

Hi dk.Good topic.I had a debate with Is about this @ the following location:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1648 The thing here is that opponents truly need to tread carefully here because Revelation is the only book with the following warning, ( Revelation 22:18):I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2008,02:39)Tiffany……..It does not say in what (WAY) he was before Abraham does it, you and T8 are (ASSUMING) Jesus meant He existed as an actual being, but thats not what it says, in fact Jesus was foreordained from the foundations of the world, but was (MANIFESTED) in our time Just as Peter said. God said Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Aug. 27 2008,23:05)” before Abraham was I am” says nothing clearly to me except that the past or present tensewas not stated clearly enough for us to even understand what was meant.The Pharisees were ready to stone Jesus because he answered them in a riddle.TimHave another look Tim.They were upset because he answered their…[Read more]

Good question but of course any answer is only speculation on my part.In order for people to inhabit earth, it might need a quick cleansing process. Sounds to me like the Tribulation period will transform the earth into a death zone. Poisonous water, scorched plants, etc.But perhaps after the planet is inhabitable, the work begins to rebuild…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 27 2008,03:48)T8………with all that so-called evidence then why has the idea of Jesus preexistences be argued by thousand of Scholars for Centuries if it is so clear as you suppose it is. Why has it boiled down to John 1:1 as the only (Specific) proof text then. That trinitarians use to prove Jesus' preexistence and…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 26 2008,23:50)My reason for that name may be locked in an obscure post somewhere.  It is a reference to the fact that the Boy Scouts ridiculously require their members to have belief in a god / higher power / whatever.  Not even the anglican church requires that of its ministers!StuartHmm those Boy Scouts.They should teach that w…[Read more]