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    Idealism is one of the most deceptive and destructive disguises of the religious spirit. Idealism is of human origin, and a form of humanism. Although it has the appearance of seeking only the highest standards and the preservation of God's glory, idealism is possibly the most deadly enemy of true revelation and true grace. It is deadly because it…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 07 2009,04:13)How is God the Father of Jesus in the literal sense you think seeing that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit? Wouldn't this make the Holy Spirit Jesus' Father?2 Corinthians 3:17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.The Lord is the Spirit. The Father is the one…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 07 2009,04:13)t8,Then why did God say, “Let US make man in OUR image”? Then it says this: “And so God created man in HIS own image.”How is God the Father of Jesus in the literal sense you think seeing that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit? Wouldn't this make the Holy Spirit Jesus' Father?Keep chewing on it.thinkerIf…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 07 2009,04:13)t8,Who said that God is one “being”? I haven't said this nor has God said this. This “one being” idea is non-trinitarian.If you believe that the Most High God is 3 beings, then you believe in 3 Gods.Deuteronomy 64 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.Mark 12:29“The most important one,” answered…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote Quote It is written that he emptied himself and became as one of us.That is written. It is up to us to understand what that means.:)Hi t8,The Philippians passage you're referring to has always been a point of keen interest to me.I notice that Paul gives us a lot of credit, saying, “Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:”.…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 06 2009,20:42)The United States is ONE nation. But it is made up of MANY states. A husband and wife are ONE flesh.  But they are made up of TWO persons. In Ephesians 2 Paul said that in Christ Jew and Gentile are ONE new man. Yet the new man is TWO in one. Paul said also that we are ONE body in Christ but MANY.But a…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 06 2009,20:59)Kerwin,I believe I gave you a clear answer to your question. I said that Mary's conception was miraculous. Mary conceived by the “power of the most high God.” Yet you say that WJ infers that if Christ is God then sexual relations with Mary had to occur. I brought up invitro fertilization only as an example…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 06 2009,03:06)Hi all,Since this is the trinity thread I will post here some of my concerns of the trinity doctrine. I am not trying to pick on the trinitarians here, many of my friends and family are trinitarians.We all know that the word “trinity” is not in the scriptures but there are MANY words in the doctrine that make…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2009,19:01)Hi kerwinWhat is wrong with my statement? Was Adam created or born?I know exactly what I am saying.WJWe may know what we are saying, but do we know what god is saying? Do we know the difference between our own understanding and that which is revealed by God by scripture/revelation?Just a general…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2009,09:43)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 04 2009,15:49)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 01 2009,09:35)So God's form is a “E Pluribus Unum”.thinkerHey thinker.Think about this.If God is Plural, then why not address God as “THEM”.After all, when we address a human we are not talking to their body or flesh, but to the real person/identity.…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 05 2009,07:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 05 2009,03:45)Hi guys,Thanks for thinking this through with me.I believe that something that is created is going to have a different nature than its creator.  Something that is born on the other hand is going to have the same nature of the one he came from.That's the difference.  The S…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2009,03:33)Hi allHere is where the confusion is.Everything that exist is created, including that which is born.An example of this is we are born again by the Spirit. John 3:3Yet we read…And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is “created” in righteousness and…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2009,05:45)Hi KathiRespectfully I disagree with you because I do not believe there is any umambiguous scriptures that shows the prexisting God that was with God had a begining. IMO part of the nature of what makes God God is he is infinite and eternal. Therefore for Jesus do be all that the Father is in nature…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 01 2009,09:35)So God's form is a “E Pluribus Unum”.thinkerHey thinker.Think about this.If God is Plural, then why not address God as “THEM”.After all, when we address a human we are not talking to their body or flesh, but to the real person/identity. e.g., would you address conjoined twins as “HIM/HER”?If you believe that…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic God's voice in the forum Faith 17 years, 8 months ago

    Stu.You cannot hear God and you lack insight into his existence, so is it any wonder you don't believe? It is a no-brainer as to why you are an athiest.What else is there to say?

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    Quote (david @ Feb. 24 2009,14:44)I find his comments very interesting as it helps to understand why the hate campaign against JW’s is so great.david, I don't think there are many people who hate JWs. I think you will find that many of these people hate the deception they weave. Although I do admit that many of these people offer a solution that i…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2009,13:31)The truth is Nick, the earliest disciples became a “theatrical spectacle to the world.”  What they were doing was quite noticeable, and different.Do you think Jesus' followers would stand out as different?  (I'll take your future silence to this question in the affirmative.)davidThe earliest disciples were not J…[Read more]

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    Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 27 2009,18:12)I do see that some of their beliefs infringe on what I would consider “freedom” in Christ.  It's a personal interpretation thing.  Otherwise though, they seem pretty in-line with scripture.  Their body seems to do a lot of good in the community.  And their meetings go a long way in promoting God and his Chr…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2009,10:35)Two thoughts–1. Why would anyone in any religion belong to that religion if they didn't feel it was the correct religion?2. The earliest Christians believed exactly that.There are plenty of religions one can join and thus a man can choose the one that fits best.God has sent his son into the world to destroy the…[Read more]

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