Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 17 2009,10:28)Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 16 2009,16:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 17 2009,02:48)Thanks Keith for you very long and thorough post…you are a die hard.Thanks t8 for your defense of one faith.Blessings,KathiHi Kathi,Do you share t8's belief system completely?  Do you and him share “one faith”?Thanks,MandyMandy,As far…[Read more]

Many of those scriptures I quoted speak of pre-existence at face value. Unless they are translated incorrectly or don't really mean what they say, then I cannot in good conscience just write them off with logic that is offered to me outside of scripture.You also have the following difficulty if Jesus didn't have glory with the Father before the…[Read more]

Gene.The Logos is identified by using the definite article in every instance in John 1:1. If an attribute or qualification was being sought, why use the definite article which is also applied to God, except in John 1:1c.A second witness to the Logos being Christ is that the Logos was WITH God.The third witness is that the Logos became flesh and we…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 07 2009,00:37)T8 wrote:Quote Sure. He existed with God's nature/ in the form of God. The words you say are correct but I do not know if the spirit behind them is the same as that in the scripture.  I ask in hopes of finding out.   In what way do you believe Jesus has the nature of God?  Do you believe they are both de…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 07 2009,03:54)T8……….the scripture you quoted is inferring  (authority) not order of berth, and the word you use as existed is really in the Geek text (existing) a present tense word. brother, (NO) scripture says Jesus Preexisted as any thing before His berth. Only he was (FOREORDAINED) But was (MANIFESTED in our time) or…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ April 07 2009,01:42)Again, no one here is trying to disprove God. It is basically impossible to prove or disprove a deity.KJ.So you do not know if there is a God or not, yet you are willing to persecute YHWH and Yeshua. Isn't that at least a bit reckless? Or are you like Stu, where you do not have a clue, except to say that you…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ April 07 2009,01:42)Quote (t8 @ April 06 2009,06:45)I get the feeling you don't like me very much KJ. You intuition is off. I have nothing against people I really do not know other than words they've written on a forum.Quote Anyway, I think its not wise for me to get lost in the details and not be able to step back and decide what…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ April 07 2009,03:40)Quote (thethinker @ April 06 2009,09:55)God is the first cause for man's corruptibility. So it's not a matter of God's supposed incompotency. It is a matter of PURPOSE.thinkerClassic, so your god designed us to fail. If you bought a vehicle with brakes designed to fail, would you take it in stride and blame…[Read more]

A nice post Texas.

I get the feeling you don't like me very much KJ. Anyway, I think its not wise for me to get lost in the details and not be able to step back and decide what the cause is. Time being the real reason for this.Sure we can all agree on faulty DNA code, viruses, and other nasties in creation. There is no debate here. The debate is obviously the root…[Read more]

Welcome Tim. One question. Why is this discussion in the prophecy section?Shall I move it to the “Messages” forum. The description for discussions in the “Messages” forum is “Personal prophecies, teachings, revelations, messages, apologies, etc.”

Hi Tim. Yes we are all given the pnemua which makes us live.I wonder if other species are also given it because they too live including plants?But we can be born from above. This birth is different from our birthday. This birth is a continuous supply of the Spirit. This is the definition of eternal life because the Spirit gives us life. It is not…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2009,09:46)T8 wrote:Quote Jesus is the image of the invisible God. That means he is like God, and we can see him. In fact he is so like him that he represents the fullness of God.Could you please be a little more specific in saying how Jesus is like God?  Thank you.Sure. He existed with God's nature/ in the form of God.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 05 2009,15:49)T8……….Are we not also created in His image as Jesus is. Are we not also to grow unto the (FULL) Measure of Christ. Where is the difference at that you and other proclaim. Like Kerwin said He had to be a super being or a demigod, or angle of some kind, before He came to earth right? Please explain it to us…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ April 06 2009,19:52)Hi brother T8,I appreciate your both posts above on the image of God. Yes if Adam and Jesus were the images of God certainly in Christ Jesus we will be made in the true image of God. But I want to ask you; can we make Jesus another God/God-being as often claimed by many Trinitarians and pre-existence…[Read more]

Ha ha Stu, you are entertaining at least.It's the cause thing again isn't it Stu.Scripture says sin is the root cause of death and decay.Again you are not going back far enough. You are getting lost in the details and seem to have a hard time thinking about the cause.I will try and assist. Perfection doesn't break down and is flawless. We have…[Read more]

I wouldn't be surprised to be honest. God does things way beyond our comprehension. Who is to say that creation comprises of a single universe with hundreds of billion galaxies that have hundreds of billions of stars each. There are probably multiple levels of heaven(s).

A more simpler way to look at it Kerwin, is that by saying that Jesus is the image of God, you are saying that he is not the source, but that he is the reflection of that source.

We are made in the image of God, so we were suppose to be like God.Jesus is the image of the invisible God. That means he is like God, and we can see him. In fact he is so like him that he represents the fullness of God.Let's face it. God is way beyond us. You can't go up to him and shake his hand or give him a game of snooker. But Jesus Christ is…[Read more]

But Stu, you believe in the everything came from nothing delusion, or the everything has existed forever in varying (non-living/aware) forms delusion.You should fix up your own backyard before trying to help out others, don't you think?