Quote (thethinker @ May 19 2009,02:46)t8 said:Quote WJ, I like to stick to facts and not tradition.To All,On another thread t8 uses the expression “ministers of satan” (though he did not call anyone a minister of satan). If t8 stuck to the facts as he claims he would not use such an expression for satan was cast into the lake of fire in ad70 and…[Read more]

You can't be if nothing is the cause of all. Nothing produces nothing because it is nothing.Something can produce something and someone can produce something and someone else.You seem confused. You are someone and something, and yet nothing made both?Yeah Right! as Tui says.

Quote (Stu @ May 18 2009,19:17)Quote (t8 @ May 18 2009,17:22)That is right WJ. To say that you can know for sure that God doesn't exist, you must be all knowing.So at the end of the day, all he has is a belief and no proof, not even experiential evidence. But that doesn't stop him from defending his religion.Agree on all but two points.  My…[Read more]

That claim on its own is not more fanciful than the claim that one group of code gave rise to another group of code.i.e., that man is the offspring of another ape.So my stance is agreeable to the experience I have of a creator and in line with scripture. Your belief that man wasn't created by a creator but evolved from other apes and daffodils…[Read more]

That is right WJ. To say that you can know for sure that God doesn't exist, you must be all knowing.So at the end of the day, all he has is a belief and no proof, not even experiential evidence. But that doesn't stop him from defending his religion.

Gene, Stu doesn't believe anything that doesn't register on a scientific instrument. By all rights he shouldn't also believe in 'five'.Of course logically speaking there are beings and surely some are more powerful than others. So it stands to reason that one must stand above the rest, a supreme being. After all, he must believe in beings and the…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ May 17 2009,15:34)Gene and t8John 3:16, if those that do not believe in the son are punished for ever, does that not require eternal life too?2 Peter 2:12, destroyed and perish; in your opinion means live for ever?2 Cor. 4:3, same question.2 Thes. 1:8+9, punished with everlasting destruction, in your opinion means living and being…[Read more]

Gene, in case you are not aware of the usage of the word perish, there are many verses that say similar with the word “destruction”.Also the same word perish is used in this verses unrelated to the destruction of the soul.Colossians 2:21-22 2121 Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 17 2009,13:30)Quote (t8 @ May 15 2009,19:47)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 16 2009,05:24)I do not need to defend my actions t8, for I have done nothing wrong. If I have, I invite you and anyone else to show me specifically where I have been. It seems to me you are judging me on a response I hadn’t even made until n…[Read more]

Agreed. The smoke goes up forever, and it is written many times that the wicked shall perish.John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”2 Peter 2:12 But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of…[Read more]

WJ, the Trinity is a doctrine that developed over time and replaced the true foundation of the Church which is that Jesus is the son of the one true God and the messiah of YHWH.

Isn't accusing someone over something that they didn't say, real Stu or is it not real because you can't hold it in your hand?Also, if it is sad, then surely you should stop saying much of what you say as it too isn't real and you have certainly thrown your fair share of blows against those that believe even without provocation.But I do agree with…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 16 2009,05:24)I do not need to defend my actions t8, for I have done nothing wrong. If I have, I invite you and anyone else to show me specifically where I have been. It seems to me you are judging me on a response I hadn’t even made until now. Again, you seem to have this need for someone to apologize to you when t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 16 2009,05:24)T8, you are postulating. For example, when I say the word “Deity” in reference to Jesus, you know exactly what I mean. So their statement is in know way a lie or slanderous. Maybe you should practice your own words.WJ, I like to stick to facts and not tradition.deity is a word that means divine among oth…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 16 2009,05:24)First of all t8, You are trying to put my foot in my mouth. I have not made any accusations which you will clearly see. I simply gave my viewpoint of what someone else said. I find it rather amusing that you accuse me of accusations when in fact that is what you are doing.You have said this and other…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus I think you have jumped the gun again and put your foot in your mouth.Lets look at your accusations and compare them to what I actually said:WJ said: They did not use the word “divine”.That is true. They used deity. I looked up the meaning if deity and got this:A divine character or nature, esp. that of the Supreme Being; div…[Read more]

Thanks wild_olive_branch.And I never saw the word “tri nit arian” like that before. It even has the word Arian in it.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2009,08:37)“WHO, BEING IN VERY NATURE GOD”, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, Phil 2:6HE IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:15The Son is the radiance of God's glory and “THE EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS BEING”,… Heb 1:3Those 3 scriptures are prime…[Read more]

Thanks Georg, I will read what you have said. But I just noticed your first comment about twisting words. I tried to put your symbols into the text and then gave you an opportunity to correct anything that I may have got wrong. How is that twisting the words? The words I used was the scripture substituted with your symbols. i.e.,”He had two horns…[Read more]

What are you talking about?