Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,12:53)Can you do that t8? Can you give us some support for the theory that the early believers believed in more than one God!It funny how you say there are other gods then accuse me for not believing Pauls words when it was Paul that said…What are you going on about.Paul is saying that there are indeed many…[Read more]

Yes. You can read that at the bottom of the Forum index page under the heading “Board Statistics”.https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,13:24)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,20:44)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 19 2009,07:30)You may want to read the fathers….O…that's right….you have rejected your spiritual birthright.Actually I enjoy much writing from the the early fathers, before the Trinity doctrine took hold and Constantine merged paganism…[Read more]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 19 2009,07:30)You may want to read the fathers….O…that's right….you have rejected your spiritual birthright.Actually I enjoy much writing from the the early fathers, before the Trinity doctrine took hold and Constantine merged paganism with christianity.Some great quotes can be found…[Read more]

Is there a dedicated discussion elsewhere on the Matthew baptismal formula?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,11:49)t8Please show me controversy over Matt 28:19 being in the manuscripts!There is no such evidence!As far as the name, Matt 28:19 speaks of one name “singular” for the three persons all having the “definite article”. In the verse preceeding that Jesus said that all Power was given to him in heaven and in…[Read more]

WJ, your heart is hardened. You resist scripture.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,11:52)Shall I post the 12 that says Jesus is God?Sure go right ahead.Lets see you take out commas or add them in to suit.BTW, the Great God and Jesus Christ is no different to the many verses that talk of God and Jesus Christ.

While you are at it, why don't you add the verse where Jesus said “ye are theos”, and understand why he said it. The word 'theos' is applied to others, but is not always used to denote the Most High God. Only the Father is the most High God. You have real examples of this and you have clear teaching that states this. The point is that there are…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,11:34)t8This is totally misleading in my opinion!The quotes that you cite are about the Church and their baptism formula.They have nothing to do with the validity of the verse or text found in over 5000 manuscripts.The scripture is unambiguos!Of couse it is one of those verse that the Arians would love to…[Read more]

Quote t8Dance the dance!You didn't show me how the term God being applied to Jesus means he is a different kind. What you did say is…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,10:54)God is prescribed to a particular person, that of the Father.Your statement seems to imply that the word “God” does not apply to Jesus at all. And you are still playing…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,10:54)t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,00:47)Therefore being the same kind, doesn't equate as being the same person.Of course it doesn't and neither does the title “God” identify the person, right?So your argument is circular.Now all you have to do is show us how the term “God” being ascribed to Jesus is to be a…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 14 2009,06:12)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 13 2009,10:24)Hi WJ, The Spirit takes us back to the teaching of Jesus. He never mentioned any trinity so the spirit you follow is not the Holy spirit?“Baptizing in the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.”Looks like a trinity to me.thinkerIn addition to the meaning of…[Read more]

Oops. Apologies. I just realised this post is about the antichrist. I will post my reply above to the appropriate conversation.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,10:54)t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,00:47)Therefore being the same kind, doesn't equate as being the same person.Of course it doesn't and neither does the title “God” identify the person, right?So your argument is circular.Now all you have to do is show us how the term “God” being ascribed to Jesus is to be a…[Read more]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 28 2009,06:29)The Letter of Barnabas”And further, my brethren, if the Lord endured to suffer for our soul, he being the Lord of all the world, to whom God said at the foundation of the world, ‘Let us make man after our image, and after our likeness,’ understand how it was that he endured to suffer at the hand of…[Read more]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,20:43)But it does.  You are by nature and substance a man.  That is WHAT you are.You missed the point.My nature is human. That makes me adam. But I am not Adam.I am a man/adam, but not the man/adam identified as Adam who was the first man.Even Eve is adam. But she is not Adam.Christ existed in the FORM of G…[Read more]

Jesus is either the only way or not. He said that all who came before him, (who claimed to be the way/light/door) were robbers.Jesus was either wrong or right. If there are other Christ's then he is not the only way, and by reason of that, he is a liar which by the way rules out any possibility that he is even one of the ways. For no lie or liar…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Sep. 17 2009,04:08)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 16 2009,18:42)And why is God as well as Jesus mentioned?That alone proves that God and Jesus are different identities.Uhh? Trinitarian view agrees with you.Same being, different identity…lolWrong.It is saying God and Jesus, not the Father and Jesus. God and Jesus are identied as different…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Sep. 17 2009,04:53)John 5: 16And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that…[Read more]