Ye are gods is not the same as he is God.Therefore, we are sons is not the same as he is the son.Likewise, we are men (adam) is not the same as he is Adam.

What is so hard about seeing that scripture teaching that Jesus is the son of God and you saying that he isn't.That is what is happening here.Your stance about old angels does not change that fact.

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 23 2009,07:28)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 23 2009,06:45)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,14:41)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 23 2009,04:20)Hi CP,Welcome. Christ was in Paul and the other apostles so if you do not know them you do not know the Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ then you are none of his.So you are quoting Paul…[Read more]

Yes it is true that there is God the Father. It is true that God has a son, Jesus. And it is true that God has a spirit. In all this, it is not true that they are 3 members of one God. So there is no point in trying to lump them together in some kind of blob being. It is also true that God has many sons and children and it is true that he has many…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 23 2009,04:08)To say that Jesus is not “son” does nothing to diminish his statureIt diminishes your stature.Your only options for a favorable outcome for you is to say that these scriptures are false, mis-translated, or that Paul, John, Peter, and Jesus were false teachers. But if these are truly scripture, then it is you…[Read more]

I didn't dodge your question, I gave you the full picture of what I believe so that I could not be mis-quoted or mis-understood.Jesus is the son of the living God. He is the only begotten of the Father, full of truth.He has first place in all things and is the prototype.Think of what the word prototype means.I have told you that Jesus said that he…[Read more]

That is how I see the defence that Trinitarians use. At least the defence we see here.There is not one scripture that plainly teaches the Trinity, just a handful of scriptures that can be read that way if you move or place commas where you want. Of course the same could be said about reading it as one God and Jesus as another, (which is my…[Read more]

Hi WJ.How about debating with evidence that the other possible translation is either wrong because of… or is possible.An admission that it is possible would go further to supporting your beliefs as it would show that you are non-biased and therefore open and teachable.So how about proof or an admission that it is possible.I mean, what other…[Read more]

Jesus existed in the form of God (divine nature) and emptied himself and took on human flesh.He then humbled himself to the point of death and God raised him from the dead and he is seated to the right hand of the majesty on high with the same glory he had with the Father before the world begun.It is also written that we will be like him and…[Read more]

Hi BD.Thank you for your challenge. Here is my response: I bet that you cannot find on this board where I have taught that God works only through Christianity and nothing else. In fact I teach the opposite because I am well aware of much error taught in the name of Christianity.In light of that statement, my understanding goes something like…[Read more]

OK, thanks BD.I will reply in due time.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,18:26)t8You don't offend me!But you say he is your Lord? Is he your “Only Lord and Master” Jude 1:4. If he is and he is not your God then you violate the shema.The Lord our God is “One Lord”!WJGod made him Lord over his creation. Therefore if I am of God, Jesus is the Lord of my life as God placed him…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,18:21)Notice their is no difference in their crys to the Father and to the Lamb?Are you saying that this somehow justifies the Trinity?Otherwise I agree, the crowd address them together, although God is mentioned first.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,18:23)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2009,02:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,17:33)ConMaybe you didn't notice.Only Jesus sits in the Fathers throne!WJActually he is at the right side of the Father and sits with God on his throne. We can sit with Christ on his throne. Does that make us Christ?No. God shares his…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 18 2009,17:45)Are you saying that our perception of consciousness proves the existence of your god or not?I am not sure that I have said that, but if I was to hedge my bets, then I would say that the cause or origin of something would have the attributes or ingredients of that which it spawned.I don't really hold to that nothing…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,17:46)t8True! But I am not afraid to follow scripture and call him my Lord and my God.Others say he is “a god” of some sorts but do not say he is their God. (Polytheism) They like to play on words and yet say he is their “Only Lord and Master” Jude 1:4. Yet the scriptures say the Lord our God is “One…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,17:33)ConMaybe you didn't notice.Only Jesus sits in the Fathers throne!WJActually he is at the right side of the Father and sits with God on his throne. We can sit with Christ on his throne. Does that make us Christ?No. God shares his authority with Christ and Christ shares his authority with those of us who…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,16:58)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2009,22:42)hi WJanything you disagree with  it become a metaphor ,there is now way out, WJ the trinity does not exist,it is a false metaphor invented to pursue  idolatry this you can easy see though history of the most fervent disciples of that religion CATHOLIC ROMAN a h…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 18 2009,16:20)Why does it not prove the existence of Shiva?Oh right, that is why the world should write off any belief in God and why it shouldn't be an option. Because men cannot make their minds up about who is God, that negates any merit that there is a God.Uh huh! Really logical Stu. Right on.While we are at it, lets say that…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 17 2009,15:37)So maybe you can tell me what computers have to do with that.Here is one for a start.Conscious humans cannot make a better machine for thinking than dead nothing.That is what you would have us subscribe to Stu.It is for such reasons that it is written, “the fool says in his heart that there is not God”.